no, not at all

was Black Sabbath about having a good time, moshing etc.

sometimes i like to stand by the wall, and appreciate the show

what did they want to do

sure, who wouldn't

I'm not "on the other side" from this perspective

sometimes i like wrasslin with the sweaty boys and letting loose

That's all fine

great even

@fallot I just want to drag you kicking and screaming into the light

you are detached from these people

it's always the guys who don't know who want to tell you how you're wrong and need to chill out

I mean, I'm fine

i want fallot to be squeezed between two boiling 250 pound metal birds metabolizing the subway sandwiches they consumed before the show because that was all the money they had.

Yeah you're cool, that was just rhetorical

i want fallot to feel what metal means to other dudes

my point is, people are genuine and don't care

I know

THATS THE PROBLEM

people are genuine, and dont care

and will persist with anything

I dont care about people

let them do whatever

They're not genuine. Most of the older guys care.

if people cared to the degree you want them to, metal would cease to exist.

If you sold them Sammath, they would eat it

as far as what @༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ means @Maarat, he is right

They just don't care to find it

lets not consider real poseurs

The kind of people I am talking about

I showed a regular, younger metal head sammath and he loved it

couldn't tell you the difference between Sammath and Kaeck

and wouldn't care

instantly

So

but what does that mean

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ , from what you have said

it's not clear that you "get" metal anyway

Nothing just throwing a quip

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Yes they just don't cAre to find it and are discouraged from doing so by the current scenester culture.