Message from @fallot
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other way round
poor people stay sane, rich people go crazy
there is a deep, suicidal sickness in the west
ill check out the book
the number one symptom is not having kids, or not valuing having kids
or not caring about it
and you're going to take the whole world with you
im pretty convinced that humanitarianism is the cause of alot of the problems we have. our idea of progress
you're right, but that itself is a phenomenon that deserves further scrutiny
@Jim What precipitates that, though? Exploitable empathy by those capable?
but counter to that, the romans expanded without an idea of utopia
Or just altruism for the sake of itself?
im not entirely sure what you mean?
the reasoning for humanism itself?
Yeah.
Humanitarianism specifically. or did you mean humanism?
If you attribute anything to an idea, you have to also explain
from christianity, protestantism. reminants
why that idea has traction
once they do, why do they persist in it
the idea of humans on a timeline of progress, technology. morality. wellbeing.
I don't think that's enough, such an idea could result in a multitude of ends
what does progress have to do with tribal/racial solidarity
when these people say "progress"
they mean progress towards a certain end
they conflate it with progress full stop
because that's the only progress that their values allow
i mean, humanism = one day all humans will live together in one happy house
escape from suffering
basically idealism
nothing wrong with idealism
the problem is this idealism is sick and terrible
not that it's idealistic
even so, the idea that we can escape our woes completely somehow is toxic
more toxic than the reality
The key to humanism is the ability to empathize, yes? Where do Africans fit in or religions that require servitude for non-believers?
i would say the key is universalism
Perhaps i'm not scoping the timeline long enough by asking that BTW
"we're all the same"