Message from @fallot

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2017-04-04 17:07:02 UTC  

attributing meaning and justification to various aspects of your life

2017-04-04 17:07:05 UTC  

but how is it real thinking?

2017-04-04 17:07:08 UTC  

it's how you live anyway, without realizing it

2017-04-04 17:07:31 UTC  

no, most people never used magical thinking, even in pre-historic times

2017-04-04 17:07:35 UTC  

in their dailyt life

2017-04-04 17:07:44 UTC  

the thing you are calling "magical thinking" doesn't exist

2017-04-04 17:07:47 UTC  

yes it does

2017-04-04 17:07:53 UTC  

no, it would be the same as delusion

2017-04-04 17:08:03 UTC  

magical thinking is a delusion

2017-04-04 17:08:12 UTC  

the term you refer to as "magical thinking" encompasses two things

2017-04-04 17:08:18 UTC  

being stupid and/or crazy

2017-04-04 17:08:28 UTC  

and considering the world an alive thing where life matters

2017-04-04 17:08:31 UTC  

or that matters in some way

2017-04-04 17:08:42 UTC  

no life matters

2017-04-04 17:08:53 UTC  

I think I should elaborate on matters

2017-04-04 17:08:54 UTC  

all life could die and the world would not care

2017-04-04 17:08:58 UTC  

it would keep on orbitting around the sun

2017-04-04 17:09:04 UTC  

yes, but mattering is not inconsistent with that

2017-04-04 17:09:08 UTC  

pagans were exceptionally fatalistic

2017-04-04 17:09:13 UTC  

which is slowly twirling around a black hole

2017-04-04 17:09:14 UTC  

"everything will die, the end"

2017-04-04 17:09:17 UTC  

until it collides with another star

2017-04-04 17:09:29 UTC  

or runs out of nuclear fuel

2017-04-04 17:09:37 UTC  

okay, sure

2017-04-04 17:09:41 UTC  

the world could end right now

2017-04-04 17:09:43 UTC  

there is no allah

2017-04-04 17:09:47 UTC  

there is no jesus

2017-04-04 17:09:54 UTC  

there is no yahweh

2017-04-04 17:10:01 UTC  

there especially is no yahweh

2017-04-04 17:10:05 UTC  

lets see how you feel about it in 20 years

2017-04-04 17:10:19 UTC  

@fallot I see what you mean, but is it "religion"? "idealism" perhaps?

2017-04-04 17:10:41 UTC  

you can call it idealism if you wish, I think that term doesn't give you the actual picture of what exists and existed in mankind's consciousness

2017-04-04 17:10:50 UTC  

I think certain forms of idealism could supplant "religion" for a while

2017-04-04 17:11:03 UTC  

idealism isn't holistic

2017-04-04 17:11:04 UTC  

mankind's consciousness matters not. most people do not think in meta terms

2017-04-04 17:11:12 UTC  

how is the average person more important than an insect

2017-04-04 17:11:14 UTC  

or a dog?

2017-04-04 17:11:24 UTC  

an insect has wants and desires'

2017-04-04 17:11:29 UTC  

as does a stream

2017-04-04 17:11:31 UTC  

hey, from your framework, they are of course not any more or any less important

2017-04-04 17:11:34 UTC  

there is no importance or value