Oh, sorry.

why do you say this is the only way this could be palatable to a metal crowd

well, it's music, it has melody

real rather than faux

Australian, so point against them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQkjbcNjog0

Can't precisely explain. Compared to other DNB there are certain "elements"

Australians seem to have a problem with making music better than a certain level

don't know why

you aren't wrong @Mosely

I think it's less percussion-heavy, a different attention paid to vocals

lets see in the track you linked

vocals, percussion, such stuff is kind of surface level

vocals are likely to detract, aesthetically, to people who are generally into metal music

but we're all fringe in the metalhead realm too

@diversity_is_racism s stuff is considered a bad joke

but you're right @Mosely they do have a certain quality likely to attract people in here who are into metal

to some degree

they've got the musicality

OK good; I'm not crazy.

Vocals in a language you do not understand probably detract less.

it's not really important I think

like earlier heavy metal isn't easily differentiable from rock music in a sense

Judas Priest, Angel Witch kind of stuff

a lot of it carries the musical kernel in the vocals (verse/chorus) primarily

it's still good because of the actual quality/power of that kernel

the fact that the vocals carry it, or its in a certain arrangement

points towards certain things but itself is not primary

at the other extreme you have post-black metal electronic music

which has no vocals "progressive" structure, arhythmic "ambient" melodies etc.

and there is a wide variety in vocals from sung to shouted to screeched to Demilich

I'm of the opinion that nearly everyone has access to the faculty of "properly" listening to music

but for most people this is stunted due to not being developed

in a way that innocent sense can give them an advantage

some people get into complicated music heavily without ever building that sense

and therefore start to think unimportant stuff is vitally important

musical technicalities, technicalities of song structure, certain aesthetics

as illustration, so-called 12-tone music

this isn't music at all, it's a certain abstraction applied to sound and presented in a musical context

you could call it an arbitrary sonic architecture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEY9lmCZbIc

listen to that @Mosely and tell me what you think.