Message from @fallot
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so-called Socialism in One Country
SODOMY IN ONE COUNTRY
but we shoudl be able to agree that the Leninist/originalist was globalist in nature
i.e. aimed to spark a worldwide workers revolution
and ultimately move us to some utopian anarcho communist state
I guess my point was, socialism was never just about economics
capitalism, libertarianism, socialism (as economics) all strikes me as stupid
pragmatism is the only economic system
when you need competition, you need competition
when things upscale to ridiculous extents
you control
there should be some priors to these economic systems
some things people value above them
so yeah, you're basically a mixed-economy guy
so that these systems can lead to them
sort of
a whatever works guy
I'm biased towards downscaling, which is kind of libertarian or communal
makes sense, I'm a whatever works guy as well and I will ultiamtely be bound by any empircal evidence that shows by bias toward free market-ism to work less well
Amazon, Facebook etc.
it's what most libertarians concede on issues of national defense, for example. Or else they must concede lest falling into the black hole that is anarcho-capitalism 😄
rootless elites with massive influence
it makes sense to me to break these down a bit, or to curtail them so they serve the common good
I'm open to any good arguments for breaking up legitimate monopolies of course, as that is not somethign any free-marketer would want
it's not just about monopoly, but about degree of influence on society
monopoly or no monopoly, a private enterprise of this scale will result in a concentration of actual power in a small number of entities
unless we start committing to say
burning them at the stake if they are out of line
actually it's still conflict
the MPC guy is pretty good on this
though I don't accept his attribution of some issues with modern society to scale alone
I think we're into a bit nebulous terrritory when we talking about influence on society and how that could (or should) be controlled. My biggest issue is that any power you grant the state can ultimately used against you once you are infiltrated and subverted by ideologues (particularly ones from the left)
I will give that a read though and keep an open mind
this is problematic
the above would be linked to a real reassessment of the state and its purposes, as one of the biggest manifestations of massive upscaling is mandarin modern government
PLEASUREMAN astutely identifies the mandarin, the bureaucrats, the managerial class as the source of later problems
right now, we can see a conflict play out where their power is evident
"Deep state" (bureaucrats) vs. Trump