2. be made to dissapear

3. be made into a soap

or north korean method be tied to a rocket and fired into orbit

I did not see Berkeley.

Soap is the environmentalist method, is it not?

@OJneg Stalinism was also a national socialism

so-called Socialism in One Country

SODOMY IN ONE COUNTRY

@fallot sure Stalinism could be said to be nationalistic in nature

but we shoudl be able to agree that the Leninist/originalist was globalist in nature

i.e. aimed to spark a worldwide workers revolution

and ultimately move us to some utopian anarcho communist state

I guess my point was, socialism was never just about economics

capitalism, libertarianism, socialism (as economics) all strikes me as stupid

pragmatism is the only economic system

when you need competition, you need competition

when things upscale to ridiculous extents

you control

there should be some priors to these economic systems

some things people value above them

so yeah, you're basically a mixed-economy guy

so that these systems can lead to them

sort of

a whatever works guy

I'm biased towards downscaling, which is kind of libertarian or communal

makes sense, I'm a whatever works guy as well and I will ultiamtely be bound by any empircal evidence that shows by bias toward free market-ism to work less well

the issue with the free market is stuff like you see now

Amazon, Facebook etc.

it's what most libertarians concede on issues of national defense, for example. Or else they must concede lest falling into the black hole that is anarcho-capitalism 😄

rootless elites with massive influence

it makes sense to me to break these down a bit, or to curtail them so they serve the common good

I'm open to any good arguments for breaking up legitimate monopolies of course, as that is not somethign any free-marketer would want

it's not just about monopoly, but about degree of influence on society

monopoly or no monopoly, a private enterprise of this scale will result in a concentration of actual power in a small number of entities

unless we start committing to say

burning them at the stake if they are out of line

actually it's still conflict

the MPC guy is pretty good on this

http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/155-the-limits-of-human-scale/

though I don't accept his attribution of some issues with modern society to scale alone

I think we're into a bit nebulous terrritory when we talking about influence on society and how that could (or should) be controlled. My biggest issue is that any power you grant the state can ultimately used against you once you are infiltrated and subverted by ideologues (particularly ones from the left)