Message from @OJneg

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2017-04-16 22:22:17 UTC  

rootless elites with massive influence

2017-04-16 22:22:39 UTC  

it makes sense to me to break these down a bit, or to curtail them so they serve the common good

2017-04-16 22:23:11 UTC  

I'm open to any good arguments for breaking up legitimate monopolies of course, as that is not somethign any free-marketer would want

2017-04-16 22:23:29 UTC  

it's not just about monopoly, but about degree of influence on society

2017-04-16 22:23:54 UTC  

monopoly or no monopoly, a private enterprise of this scale will result in a concentration of actual power in a small number of entities

2017-04-16 22:24:16 UTC  

unless we start committing to say

2017-04-16 22:24:21 UTC  

burning them at the stake if they are out of line

2017-04-16 22:24:30 UTC  

actually it's still conflict

2017-04-16 22:24:41 UTC  

the MPC guy is pretty good on this

2017-04-16 22:25:30 UTC  

though I don't accept his attribution of some issues with modern society to scale alone

2017-04-16 22:25:58 UTC  

I think we're into a bit nebulous terrritory when we talking about influence on society and how that could (or should) be controlled. My biggest issue is that any power you grant the state can ultimately used against you once you are infiltrated and subverted by ideologues (particularly ones from the left)

2017-04-16 22:27:34 UTC  

I will give that a read though and keep an open mind

2017-04-16 22:27:38 UTC  

this is problematic

2017-04-16 22:29:52 UTC  

the above would be linked to a real reassessment of the state and its purposes, as one of the biggest manifestations of massive upscaling is mandarin modern government

2017-04-16 22:30:21 UTC  

PLEASUREMAN astutely identifies the mandarin, the bureaucrats, the managerial class as the source of later problems

2017-04-16 22:30:46 UTC  

right now, we can see a conflict play out where their power is evident

2017-04-16 22:31:05 UTC  

"Deep state" (bureaucrats) vs. Trump

2017-04-16 22:33:10 UTC  

I like to think I'm a pragmatically mindly libertarian at least...lol

2017-04-16 22:33:47 UTC  

I'm fine with govt securing land via force, particularly natural landscapes we deem to have important beyond what those evil capitalists might have in mind

2017-04-16 22:34:14 UTC  

borders obviously need to be secured

2017-04-16 22:35:00 UTC  

You could very well imagine cases that a private company begins to rival the state's interests and force would need to be applied

2017-04-16 22:38:09 UTC  

I am feeling altright over yarfy's stuff atm

2017-04-16 22:39:34 UTC  

my only good alternative to it is yarfy's stuff and suddenly he is pro antifa

2017-04-16 22:41:22 UTC  

and I hate them with the fire of 1,000 suns, so obviously that isn't gonna work

2017-04-16 22:41:31 UTC  

and thus altright is suddenly more appealing

2017-04-16 22:44:33 UTC  

hang on

2017-04-16 22:44:33 UTC  

what

2017-04-16 22:44:37 UTC  

yarfy is pro antifa?

2017-04-16 22:44:40 UTC  

get out

2017-04-16 22:45:03 UTC  

how does that work out @Deleted User 57835c2c ?

2017-04-16 22:45:22 UTC  

Antifa seem to represent pure violent dalitry

2017-04-16 22:45:24 UTC  

he likes that they attacked trump supporters

2017-04-16 22:45:39 UTC  

I don't even want to use his terms at the moment, need to clear my head

2017-04-16 22:46:04 UTC  

antifa are the people in europe that will circle up around a random dude and start interrogating him

2017-04-16 22:46:07 UTC  

"What have you done to fight racism?"

2017-04-16 22:46:42 UTC  

and if his answer isn't "I was the first person in my whole town to sign up to house refugee muslims and I host 5 of them and let them gangbang my wife while I watch tolerantly," they physically attack him

2017-04-16 22:46:47 UTC  

the one and only teacher plx

2017-04-16 22:47:31 UTC  

antifa are fucking pieces of shit

2017-04-16 22:47:58 UTC  

the only leftists for whom I have no sympathy