Message from @fallot

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2017-04-22 20:49:58 UTC  

makes sense

2017-04-22 20:50:20 UTC  

yeah, the strawmeme of the alt-right as a white supremacist movement has always been bunk

2017-04-22 20:50:38 UTC  

whites do need a movement

2017-04-22 20:50:53 UTC  

but it's not supremacist, it's nationalist (as I see it)

2017-04-22 20:51:04 UTC  

what is supremacism anyway

2017-04-22 20:51:10 UTC  

whatever it is, it's a very modern ideology

2017-04-22 20:51:39 UTC  

older cultures had no trouble being both "supremacist" and staying away from fetishization of race

2017-04-22 20:51:48 UTC  

ingroup, outgroup, simple

2017-04-22 20:51:51 UTC  

ok, well maybe I'm wrong and that elements of it could certainly be seen as supremacist, but it's not imperalisitic is what I mean

2017-04-22 20:52:05 UTC  

white supremacism is a reactionary ideology

2017-04-22 20:52:06 UTC  

alt-right is nativist and isolationist

2017-04-22 20:52:13 UTC  

a response to destruction of whites and their cultures

2017-04-22 20:52:46 UTC  

alt-right isn't anything except anti-leftist really

2017-04-22 20:52:51 UTC  

pm me, @Exilarch

2017-04-22 20:52:57 UTC  

the alt-right is less in favor of bombing Assad than HRC is...that says alot

2017-04-22 20:53:08 UTC  

Alright @Nester

2017-04-22 20:53:13 UTC  

because they are converted leftists of the Bernie variety

2017-04-22 20:53:24 UTC  

Oh you mean Exilarch

2017-04-22 20:53:27 UTC  

politics, it's all nonsense

2017-04-22 20:53:33 UTC  

Hillary Clinton is an actual sociopath

2017-04-22 20:53:47 UTC  

what she thinks or wants is immaterial

2017-04-22 20:54:05 UTC  

Very true, the whole election lead up was surreal

2017-04-22 20:54:09 UTC  

dude cmon, how man actual SJWs behind Bernie were actually converted to the alt-right

2017-04-22 20:54:25 UTC  

SJWs are not the main focus of Bernie's support

2017-04-22 20:54:34 UTC  

I don't mean actual Bernie bros, but the same kind of person

2017-04-22 20:54:44 UTC  

alt-right are basically liberals at heart

2017-04-22 20:54:51 UTC  

not young republican types

2017-04-22 20:55:24 UTC  

they are liberals-at-heart who nevertheless become attracted to common sense, because that's not something you can easily kill

2017-04-22 20:55:34 UTC  

so as society becomes more and more insane and more and more withdrawn from basic truths

2017-04-22 20:56:10 UTC  

a reaction occurs even in those middle ground (essentially liberal) people who maybe 2 decades ago person voting for Bill Clinton

2017-04-22 20:56:33 UTC  

because they are basically liberals, their turn rightwards can be very extreme and reactionary

2017-04-22 20:56:55 UTC  

in some ways that is good because it works better than ineffectual conservatism

2017-04-22 20:57:00 UTC  

but it's not sustainable

2017-04-22 20:57:13 UTC  

it's not an ideology either, it's just an umbrella of anti-leftism

2017-04-22 20:57:26 UTC  

that seems like a contentious statement...I'll leave it at that. My interpretation of the alt-right's origins are very different but I suppose you have been following the genisis longer and more closely thatn I have

2017-04-22 20:57:47 UTC  

well, the big minds and ideas people were varied

2017-04-22 20:58:00 UTC  

but the rank and file of today's "alt right" is what I was referring to

2017-04-22 20:58:12 UTC  

if you are familiar with Haidt you will understand what I mean by liberal at heart

2017-04-22 20:58:28 UTC  

it's not a label for their politics or views

2017-04-22 20:58:38 UTC  

liberal is used as a pejorative or insult by the alt right, I am not using it as such

2017-04-22 20:58:45 UTC  

I am a liberal at heart too I guess