Message from @The Enlightened Shepherd

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2017-04-23 23:03:34 UTC  

Only proper ascetics like me can understand violence in all it's metaphysical and spiritual glory

2017-04-23 23:03:38 UTC  

continue

2017-04-23 23:04:21 UTC  

I mean it's my good fortune, if I was raised as a non-muslim it's probable that I would have great difficulty (or find it impossible) to reach the same place

2017-04-23 23:04:31 UTC  

I was close to disbelief in my late teens

2017-04-23 23:04:31 UTC  

However the metaphysical cosmology of Islam is not grasped by most Muslims just like with Christianity.

2017-04-23 23:04:38 UTC  

And Judaism.

2017-04-23 23:05:02 UTC  

I wouldn't be too sure about that, your average pakistani muslim at least really does understand his religion more than your average christian

2017-04-23 23:05:09 UTC  

and not just in exoteric ways

2017-04-23 23:05:20 UTC  

maybe you are right, depends on what you meant

2017-04-23 23:05:50 UTC  

The average Muslim does not understand the platonic roots of Islam and Christianity and archetypical universalism.

2017-04-23 23:06:05 UTC  

Divine chains of beings.

2017-04-23 23:06:08 UTC  

"However the metaphysical cosmology of Islam is not grasped by most Muslims just like with Christianity."

2017-04-23 23:06:19 UTC  

the Metaphysical in these traditions is simply tradition itself

2017-04-23 23:06:27 UTC  

It's really not....

2017-04-23 23:06:29 UTC  

"Christian', "Muslim" and "Judaism' are nothing but colors

2017-04-23 23:06:44 UTC  

They have different Gods.

2017-04-23 23:06:57 UTC  

Traditional secret doctrines, in their inner significance cannot be comprehended by masses

2017-04-23 23:07:11 UTC  

It's not secret though

2017-04-23 23:07:19 UTC  

I said metaphysical and esoteric in them

2017-04-23 23:07:28 UTC  

you guys are talking about different things now

2017-04-23 23:07:31 UTC  

is something that is in accordance to certain universal truth

2017-04-23 23:07:43 UTC  

im not talking about these faiths as belief systems

2017-04-23 23:08:52 UTC  

Islam, Christianity and Judaism as faiths, anyway borrowed many many symbols and scriptures that even their authors probably did not properly understand at all

2017-04-23 23:08:56 UTC  

But still passed them

2017-04-23 23:09:23 UTC  

And of course, added numerous less relevant and more suspicious and deviant spiritual positions

2017-04-23 23:09:29 UTC  

Allah is the one who is light and eternal outside of time beyond the high heavens beyond the heavenly spheres and tracks the actions of souls. It just breaks down when you have a being/force/will outside of time dictating something that is eternal with him despite being human creation by not the most educated people.

2017-04-23 23:10:10 UTC  

Allah is not just that though

2017-04-23 23:10:12 UTC  

Jesus wills the world into being by creating the idea of the world.

2017-04-23 23:10:17 UTC  

but per the Quran closer to you than your jugular vein

2017-04-23 23:10:21 UTC  

so immanent as well

2017-04-23 23:11:42 UTC  

Which relates back to earlier European pagan traditions of willing the world into being like Odin and Uranus/Jupiter/Saturn

2017-04-23 23:11:49 UTC  

The problem is the meaning of the "World" to you is limited to the Earth as a planet and it's immediate stellar surroundings

2017-04-23 23:11:57 UTC  

Rather than Semitic light/solar analogies.

2017-04-23 23:12:01 UTC  

and hence your possibility of comprehension is limited and superficial

2017-04-23 23:12:17 UTC  

No, Christ wills the universe into being.

2017-04-23 23:12:19 UTC  

"The World" itself is a metaphysical concept

2017-04-23 23:12:25 UTC  

By thinking of the idea of it.

2017-04-23 23:12:43 UTC  

Of which the solar system is but one manifestation, quite specific and formal

2017-04-23 23:12:52 UTC  

And Universe

2017-04-23 23:12:52 UTC  

nothing he said implied that @The Enlightened Shepherd

2017-04-23 23:12:55 UTC  

how did you get to that