Message from @Death Strike's Bat

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2017-05-04 23:23:30 UTC  

William I

2017-05-04 23:23:33 UTC  

We don't need aristocrats to be clerks

2017-05-04 23:23:33 UTC  

Augustus

2017-05-04 23:23:39 UTC  

That is not their natural position

2017-05-04 23:23:56 UTC  

Being a clerk is counter-definition of aristocracy

2017-05-04 23:23:59 UTC  

Henry VII, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I

2017-05-04 23:24:07 UTC  

Hey, Elizabeth was great

2017-05-04 23:24:23 UTC  

And apart from TV shows, Henry VIII was a popular ruler

2017-05-04 23:24:58 UTC  

Aristoracy isn't there to manage the state, though it can occupy *leading* positions in military business and politics

2017-05-04 23:25:25 UTC  

Aristocracy is there to be the best part of society and produce the best possible products of culture for society

2017-05-04 23:26:12 UTC  

But what if the King is the king as he has the biggest army and he has the biggest army as he's the King of the Peasants?

2017-05-04 23:26:21 UTC  

like many medieval English kings

2017-05-04 23:26:28 UTC  

and Roman emperors

2017-05-04 23:26:58 UTC  

Social stratification of society was still strong in Imperial Rome

2017-05-04 23:27:00 UTC  

The Roman Emperors were populares against the aristocracy

2017-05-04 23:27:05 UTC  

it can be easily deduced from criminal law

2017-05-04 23:27:18 UTC  

where noble men were still drastically more leniently punihed than lower class people

2017-05-04 23:27:33 UTC  

There is social stratification but the Emperor can take wealth away at will

2017-05-04 23:27:37 UTC  

he can put new people in those positions

2017-05-04 23:27:38 UTC  

though it is true that trend was moving towards more equalitarian model, where noble people were losing their status and dignity

2017-05-04 23:27:39 UTC  

and give them those names

2017-05-04 23:27:57 UTC  

As he's the head of hte post-Marian reform army

2017-05-04 23:28:02 UTC  

which governs all rural life

2017-05-04 23:28:05 UTC  

and is the rural economy

2017-05-04 23:28:40 UTC  

so he is basically the economic and social bastion of the 90% of the population that lives outside of the cities

2017-05-04 23:28:49 UTC  

who will do whatever he says due to patron client morality

2017-05-04 23:28:56 UTC  

and military chain of command

2017-05-04 23:29:02 UTC  

My ideal models for Monarchy and an Aristocratic societies are

2017-05-04 23:29:09 UTC  

Imperial Russia

2017-05-04 23:29:11 UTC  

Imperial Japan

2017-05-04 23:29:18 UTC  

Victorian Britain

2017-05-04 23:29:24 UTC  

what era of imperial japan?

2017-05-04 23:29:27 UTC  

Vedic India

2017-05-04 23:29:33 UTC  

from 19th century onwards

2017-05-04 23:29:42 UTC  

there are different eras wthin the 20th century

2017-05-04 23:29:51 UTC  

as imperial japan started as an oligarchy

2017-05-04 23:29:57 UTC  

and jus was an empire on paper

2017-05-04 23:30:04 UTC  

It was always technically an oligarchy

2017-05-04 23:30:18 UTC  

but for the 19th century it was an actual oligarchy

2017-05-04 23:30:18 UTC  

It drifted towards militarism which was still OK

2017-05-04 23:30:27 UTC  

the militarism killed the empire