the tweet is correct, this "counterculture" proceeds from anonymous figures and the anonymous multitude

the visible figures are not important

whether that is a good thing is worth debate, but I don't think the actual assertion is debateable

the visible figures did not precede the upswell

first came the change, then riding that wave came various figures

the kind of ideas Milo for instance has, they are a further iteration of stuff that has been slowly developed (on the internet, anonymously) for a couple of years

if someone asked me to name one, just one, person who I thought was the most important to all of this shit

despite not liking him very much I would say Steve Sailer

who, while not anonymous, is certainly not a visible figure

it s funny how you participate in talks anonymously and then 1 week later you see the talking points used by Milo or Cernovich

what incentive is to not be anonymous? save the magical white race? fuck that. if you risk your personal image, at least do it for shekels.

why don't you tell me

what the incentive is

I have the opposite impression

Milo and Cernovich talk about stuff that has been discussed generally years ago

both of these people are not big thinkers by any means

one is a promoter, both self and others, one is basically an old school self-improvement-scam seller and now a neo-journalist

if they talk about something, you can be pretty sure they didn't come up with it

the media gives one the impression that these people are important by their attention on them

this is why people were pissed at the Spencer event

because the media could crown him king of the alt right

the whole battlefield, or even enemy, is mass media, nothing more or less

the alt right is a mass media movement

there is an attitude on the right in general about "doing things"

which I think stems from individual personality

some kinds of people are not satisfied unless they feel they are "doing things"

and generally this ranges from political entryism to literally busting heads

but did leftists in the US ever preoccupy themselves with stuff like this?

how did they "win"

what makes your average, basically decent, person a leftist in their metaphysics and politics?

what makes them say: I guess tranny bathroom are alright after all etc.

they don't say anything, they just go along

the whole equality thing sounds better

phonies will settle back into the void where they came from

it's a life-long conditioning that cannot be broken by sloganeering and memes

in fact, I'd say it's generational. the dudes who buy into political epiphany are always suspect. that's what chicks do.

women align themselves with influence, but aren't actually influenced themselves

they're just good at marketing an ideology

having Lauren Southern say migrants are an issue is a much more marketable image than prozak smoking out of an Apple saying the same thing, at least to moderate people

I'm not interested in convincing people to think like I do. I'm interested in what's right.

these people do not find themselves in influential positions by happenstance