Message from @fallot
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you can have a cohesive culture populated by subgroups, you have that anyway simply due to class
is the basic attitude open (not just polite, or not even polite) or cut-off?
by this bar some arab countries are not cohesive at all, while others are
Egypt would be fine, but not say Qatar
question for the gallery, is metal in any of its forms, the modern day iteration of baroque, romantic, and classicaly music? is it explicitly white? are the musicians playing it some of the best in the world? I thought I'd agree with all these sentiments
metal is (was) the modern day expression of a cultural/spiritual trend that resulted in romanticism
its roots in baroque music lie in it being western music
classical it is not connected to beyond individual inspiration and being art music
a thing like metal cannot be specifically white, but its definitely something that arose from a white metaconsciousness/spirit
its as white as indian classical music is indian
i.e. a lot, but not absolutely
are the musicians playing it some of the best in the world? Depends on what one means by musician
if this is restricted to technical skill alone, not even close
few among them reach the standards of even passable classical musicians (not soloists either)
and the ones that do reach such standards are rarely any good
but if taken in the sense of one who produces music, which encompasses both elements of music production
the technical element as well as the abstract, creative element
then I would certainly think they have been the best in the world as far as any kind of western music is concerned, for >100 years
does metal music occupy the same place, or does it have the same function
as western classical music?
its closest to greek theatre or folk music types that involve storytelling
high level bard music
as a result I think in ultimate terms metal music is superior to western classical music because the latter ignored these elements or abstracted them away from human experience too much
Wagner tried to bring things together but went about it completely the wrong way, upside down even
he tried to rediscover a root using the very tools and thought that had caused drift away from that root
sort of like using scientific experiments to get to the bottom of your relationship with a loved one
Music is divine, and the greatest music is as a result possessed of a (divine) simplicity
it strips everything away
classical music (in general) is not like that, but metal music is
@Jossi DEPENDS ON THE METAL, BUT YES, IT CARRIES FORWARD THE CLASSICAL SPIRIT. IT IS WHITE IN ORIGIN, BUT OTHER CULTURES MAKE THEIR OWN ADAPTATIONS WHICH REFLECT MORE OF THEIR TRADITIONS.
ROMANTICISM WAS DIVIDED HOWEVER, MUCH LIKE LEFT AND RIGHT
"HIGH LEVEL BARD MUSIC" IS GOOD, ALTHOUGH I WOULD ADD THAT IT IS SORT OF THE ONLY REAL FOLK MUSIC WE HAVE
"FOLK MUSIC" IS USUALLY PRETTY BAD
It is also cultural/religious music in a sense. It serves the same purpose as "praise and worship" music for a certain group of people
"transcendent" etc. but I think "romantic" carries all of that meaning
that's what romanticism is about isn't it after all
blind religion/following laws (medieval music, baroque music) ---> enlightenment, abstraction, intellect, distance from "pagan consciousness" (classical music) ---> *CONSCIOUS* rediscovery of faith via intellect and abstraction (Romanticism, Metal, ?Future?)
child -> adolescent -> adult
animal -> man-as-is -> man-as-should-be