Message from @fallot

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2017-08-26 00:54:04 UTC  

these are big things

2017-08-26 00:54:10 UTC  

can you put yourself in his head

2017-08-26 00:54:14 UTC  

and do that

2017-08-26 00:54:20 UTC  

well yeah my next question to you is what criteria are you defining by

2017-08-26 00:54:21 UTC  

imagine yourself going through with those things, what are you thinking

2017-08-26 00:54:23 UTC  

what is your goal

2017-08-26 00:54:46 UTC  

pink undies

2017-08-26 00:54:49 UTC  

humiliation and spectacle

2017-08-26 00:54:53 UTC  

he has a retributive view of state punishment. that's not invalid. he wants to humiliate

2017-08-26 00:54:53 UTC  

benefit?

2017-08-26 00:55:03 UTC  

its not just any humiliation though

2017-08-26 00:55:08 UTC  

but that is one of the "classical" purposes of legal punishment

2017-08-26 00:55:28 UTC  

does that mentality fit with indignity and the trifling nature of the punishment?

2017-08-26 00:55:34 UTC  

both dont reconcile

2017-08-26 00:55:56 UTC  

also, he is inconsistent

2017-08-26 00:56:10 UTC  

the retributive actions are in a limited spectrum of criminals

2017-08-26 00:56:12 UTC  

well I don't have the weird western taboo for the color pink so idk

2017-08-26 00:56:17 UTC  

again

2017-08-26 00:56:19 UTC  

it wouldn't bother me

2017-08-26 00:56:19 UTC  

not thinking right

2017-08-26 00:56:24 UTC  

doesn't matter does it

2017-08-26 00:56:26 UTC  

whether it bothers you

2017-08-26 00:56:31 UTC  

think about effect and intent

2017-08-26 00:56:38 UTC  

Making jail unpleasant and humiliating is reasonable

2017-08-26 00:57:01 UTC  

pink undies is not simply humiliation either

2017-08-26 00:57:04 UTC  

its also a PR move

2017-08-26 00:57:12 UTC  

It is

2017-08-26 00:57:13 UTC  

its calculated for a certain impact

2017-08-26 00:57:19 UTC  

That's true

2017-08-26 00:57:24 UTC  

look, I am brazenly humiliating these people

2017-08-26 00:57:29 UTC  

He's a self promoter

2017-08-26 00:57:32 UTC  

*crowd cheers*

2017-08-26 00:57:34 UTC  

yeah to keep prisoners from feeling "hard"

2017-08-26 00:57:42 UTC  

tell me

2017-08-26 00:57:46 UTC  

would this actually do anything to the prisoners

2017-08-26 00:57:51 UTC  

like a "I'm the hard man" message

2017-08-26 00:57:51 UTC  

would they ACTUALLY be humiliated

2017-08-26 00:57:53 UTC  

significantly?

2017-08-26 00:57:56 UTC  

Yeah

2017-08-26 00:58:04 UTC  

its possible some would

2017-08-26 00:58:04 UTC  

Plus they're in the heat