I've heard Perry unplugged, she can sing

She can't sing while dancing around lol

that's a big factor

Ariana Grande of all people can sing okay

Bieber too

Bieber is a good singer

Bieber has a nice voice, tbh

@fallot dude, she sucks. She can sing compared to your average chick who thinks she can sing. But she's not good.

while she uses a lot of gimmicks

I'm glad we're past the point where everyone hates Bieber for no clear reason

she consistently hits notes and has a good voice production

Justin is an arrogant soyboy wigger faggot.

That's why he's hated.

I really enjoyed his song "one less lonely nigger"

it is a part of the image projected about him

Plus his music is effeminate. It's not manly.

He's a child

or was anyway

not anymore

A perpetual child.

He's past age 20

his latest stuff was pretty decent. Love Yourself was one of the better recent pop tunes

he is reflexively hated due to media, entirely

Despacito was nice too

not that it isn't his fault too

I didn't like his added verse in Despacito

haha yeah thats fair, hard to credit him with the value of that song

@fallot not the medias fault if he makes an absolute fool of himself. His ridiculous antics make for great popcorn stories

I feel bad for him

no, it is entirely the media, your perception of people like him is entirely controlled and moulded

it must suck to be so commodified from such a young age

they predictably go into various phases

it would suck for me anyway

Bieber is due a rehabilitation

look at Miley Cyrus for an example

He did a good job of mocking himself in Zoolander 2

He'll eventually be shepherded into a movie-crossover role I bet

He has will smith potential lol

never seen him act

whatever happened to existential shepherd

dunno