the observer is an irreducible part of phenomena

do you object to this statement?

im having a hard time thinking about that statement really

not quite sure what you mean

in the double slit experiment, measurement i.e. observation

alters the result

yes it does i agree

not simply as a result of some perturbation caused by measurement as a process

but the actual act of "observing" whatever it is

that's my understanding yes, because it alters the system

to your first statement

that cannot be it, per wheeler's delayed choice experiment

fuck it's been a while, let me check

I'm not a physics anything, so I may use jury-rigged explanations

but I'll try to find people who have discussed it

okay, I'll probably have to look up shit on the fly because for some reason I didn't do any of this in detail in the first year I've just done, quantum mechanics is next month

from wikipedia, per Wheeler

"The thing that causes people to argue about when and how the photon learns that the experimental apparatus is in a certain configuration and then changes from wave to particle to fit the demands of the experiment's configuration is the assumption that a photon had some physical form before the astronomers observed it. Either it was a wave or a particle; either it went both ways around the galaxy or only one way. Actually, quantum phenomena are neither waves nor particles but are intrinsically undefined until the moment they are measured."

*intrinsically undefined until the moment they are measured*

not physically perturbed by the action of measuring

okay yeah I'm with you

one possible implication of this is that the perception determines the reality

https://twitter.com/eissolomon11/status/902647795789828106

I don't know shit about this yet but assuming that's true whats the conclusion

this is as far as I go too, its just food for thought

to put a chink in the armour of a certain assumed view of consciousness

which when you think about it, seems a bit strange

because it in a sense makes consciousness invalid

so how did it come to occur in the first place?

what happened that this became essentially the dogma of the modern world?

is this the way people before us, the vast majority of humanity, thought as well?

or did they have a different fundamental view of reality and their own selves?

I feel like there's an issue with coming to that as an implication but I'm gonna need to think about it a lot more

Umm, Fallot, this is all well and good but have you even read Dan Dennett

lol, that guy

another acceleration idea: create a "leftist" campaign telling Southerners that their ancestors were traitors to the crown/america, and thus, they are less American and need to give up their backward ways and apologize for something or another. make it an apology request that's hilariously ignorant of history

post the meme in moonbat leftist groups and have them spread it

to accelerate southern nationalism

issue: leftists don't seem to care much about being traitors

or patriotism

the left can't meme, so we can meme for them