Message from @Kalier

Discord ID: 352839239089651713


2017-08-31 15:24:20 UTC  

a mixture of genetic and cultural factors

2017-08-31 15:25:17 UTC  

I don't think that "genetic" is the reason of development

2017-08-31 15:32:28 UTC  

why not?

2017-08-31 15:32:59 UTC  

the culture maybe

2017-08-31 15:33:05 UTC  

but the genetic no

2017-08-31 15:33:19 UTC  

Culture largely stems from genetics.

2017-08-31 15:33:43 UTC  

example?

2017-08-31 15:34:04 UTC  

Differences in genetic capability for civilization-qualities like cooperation, trust, future-orientation, etc

2017-08-31 15:34:14 UTC  

No, that is the culture

2017-08-31 15:34:17 UTC  

these are genetic, population scale differences

2017-08-31 15:34:19 UTC  

no it isn't

2017-08-31 15:34:31 UTC  

It is, A culture define the values

2017-08-31 15:34:38 UTC  

no it doesn't

2017-08-31 15:34:56 UTC  

no values like future-orientation or other heritable traits

2017-08-31 15:35:21 UTC  

IQ is largely heritable

2017-08-31 15:35:33 UTC  

personality traits are 50-70% heritable

2017-08-31 15:35:34 UTC  

a culture as a meta-structure may adopt population scale traits as valuable

2017-08-31 15:36:16 UTC  

and some of those traits certainly play a bigger role at creating higher civilization than others

2017-08-31 15:36:23 UTC  

yes

2017-08-31 15:36:56 UTC  

If a culture is very conservative, there will be no progress

2017-08-31 15:37:10 UTC  

Example some african cultures

2017-08-31 15:37:44 UTC  

again, that largely depends on the general intelligence and personality traits of the population at hand

2017-08-31 15:38:09 UTC  

The intelligence depends of the culture and the way of life

2017-08-31 15:38:11 UTC  

@Kalier Progress is only necessary if the environment changes

2017-08-31 15:38:15 UTC  

in a traditionalist culture

2017-08-31 15:38:27 UTC  

What is the antonym of tradition?

2017-08-31 15:38:32 UTC  

Drawing a blank here

2017-08-31 15:38:36 UTC  

intelligence depends very little on culture / way of life. extensive twin research demonstrates this

2017-08-31 15:38:43 UTC  

its mostly heritable

2017-08-31 15:38:54 UTC  

and nutrition?

2017-08-31 15:39:25 UTC  

nutrition is a red herring, historically speaking

2017-08-31 15:40:01 UTC  

its not really a distinct variable in the civilization building eras we're discussing

2017-08-31 15:40:10 UTC  

If a african person is educated with western values from birth, there will be no difference

2017-08-31 15:40:58 UTC  

In Africa, IQ is low because of poverty

2017-08-31 15:41:07 UTC  

Oh my

2017-08-31 15:41:22 UTC  

Human intelligence is highly heritable.
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.html

2017-08-31 15:41:22 UTC  

maybe IQ and poverty have a mutual causal relationship

2017-08-31 15:41:42 UTC  

Black children raised in White households have similar IQ scores to Black children in Black households.
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1977-07996-001

2017-08-31 15:41:56 UTC  

IQ is one of the genetic population scale traits that determines the appropriate civilizational level

2017-08-31 15:41:58 UTC  

IQ is low, so everybody is poor, so nobody has the resources to improve IQ, so everybody gets poorer, etc.

2017-08-31 15:42:02 UTC  

and in that way is connected to poverty