Message from @Hagel

Discord ID: 352947751408893962


2017-08-31 22:44:46 UTC  

it happened, you are the product of it

2017-08-31 22:44:50 UTC  

its natural

2017-08-31 22:44:51 UTC  

Unfortunately, it is not an empty canvas that European ideals can be painted upon

2017-08-31 22:45:37 UTC  

It is ill equipped to nourish the European soul.

2017-08-31 22:45:48 UTC  

that's a metaphysical argument, I can't say anything against it

2017-08-31 22:45:51 UTC  

except that I disagree

2017-08-31 22:45:53 UTC  

a lot

2017-08-31 22:46:41 UTC  

my ancestors were hindus, I like some things about hinduism, but I can't ignore generations of development in the islamic context either

2017-08-31 22:46:50 UTC  

this is besides the fact of my belief in the truth of the faith

2017-08-31 22:46:57 UTC  

even if I became an apostate

2017-08-31 22:47:01 UTC  

I would still be a muslim in a sense

2017-08-31 22:47:07 UTC  

its not something I can divest myself of

2017-08-31 22:47:25 UTC  

And I can never be anything but pagan

2017-08-31 22:47:32 UTC  

but you aren't pagan

2017-08-31 22:47:38 UTC  

maybe something new

2017-08-31 22:47:40 UTC  

that you call pagan

2017-08-31 22:47:49 UTC  

more accurately I'd say that kind of mindset is simply anti-christian

2017-08-31 22:48:02 UTC  

neopagan is probably the best term

2017-08-31 22:48:08 UTC  

I feel sorry for Christians

2017-08-31 22:48:12 UTC  

I don't take them seriously

2017-08-31 22:48:21 UTC  

The problem is not Christianity, but a lack of something positive

2017-08-31 22:48:40 UTC  

devout christians seem like the healthiest europeans to me

2017-08-31 22:49:28 UTC  

anyway, I think we've reached the end of a back and forth

2017-08-31 22:50:15 UTC  

I think Varg is one of the greatest artists in many decades, but I also think he's a bit foolish

2017-08-31 22:50:25 UTC  

I am certainly no disciple of Vikernes

2017-08-31 22:50:31 UTC  

oh, my mistake

2017-08-31 22:50:39 UTC  

do you like his music?

2017-08-31 22:50:41 UTC  

Burzum is great, however

2017-08-31 22:50:44 UTC  

awesome

2017-08-31 22:55:00 UTC  

"it happened, you are the product of it
its natural" Feminism and leftism are then equally natural, because it happened

2017-08-31 22:55:21 UTC  

And in a way they are. Europeans are susceptible to them

2017-08-31 22:55:27 UTC  

but they are not healthy

2017-08-31 22:55:37 UTC  

Becoming obese by eating sugar when it is available is natural, but unhealthy

2017-08-31 22:55:53 UTC  

the missing element there is everything you are saying is obviously negativistic

2017-08-31 22:55:54 UTC  

privation

2017-08-31 22:56:01 UTC  

whereas christianity in the west is at worst, neutral

2017-08-31 22:56:23 UTC  

and I think it is easy to argue that it was associated with many positive things, even if one disagrees it is overall positive for some reason

2017-08-31 22:56:50 UTC  

There needs to be a vehicle for the European spirit that was lost. Any vehicle, even Christianity if it was possible

2017-08-31 22:57:01 UTC  

Wagner believed that it was. He was also a Christian

2017-08-31 22:57:19 UTC  

I am more skeptical of Christianity's potential, due to some innate traits, and due to how it has changed in modern times

2017-08-31 22:57:26 UTC  

I don't get people with similar opinions to you