the truth is the truth, you can't go back to the pagan mindset

an attempt to do so would be false, and LARPing

whereas christianity is right there in your hands

The truth is the truth

Chrsitianity isn't it

we'll have to agree to disagree

but certainly europe has lost all connection with a pagan past

its not something recoverable, because even the way they saw the world was different

even if you go back to worshipping odin or something

The ideal of knighthood was quite pagan, in a Christian shell

The holy grail is a lot like the Gole

why do you see it like that

as an imposition

rather than a european christianity

Because the core of Christianity does not have that

so what? what is the core of paganism?

there is no such thing really

europeans had european values, they became christian, their european values became christianized

when they were pagan, they were pagan-ized

when they become ba'hai in the future, perhaps similar will happen

same goes for any religion, anywhere, in a cultural context

Christianity would never emerge naturally from Europeans. They should have what is natural to them, as you should have what is natural toy ou

"what is natural to them" is fallacious

it happened, you are the product of it

its natural

Unfortunately, it is not an empty canvas that European ideals can be painted upon

It is ill equipped to nourish the European soul.

that's a metaphysical argument, I can't say anything against it

except that I disagree

a lot

my ancestors were hindus, I like some things about hinduism, but I can't ignore generations of development in the islamic context either

this is besides the fact of my belief in the truth of the faith

even if I became an apostate

I would still be a muslim in a sense

its not something I can divest myself of

And I can never be anything but pagan

but you aren't pagan

maybe something new

that you call pagan

more accurately I'd say that kind of mindset is simply anti-christian

neopagan is probably the best term