Message from @Hagel

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2018-01-18 20:15:19 UTC  

The whole white guilt thing isn't intrinsically communist and for that matter feeling that guilt doesn't mean they want a communist society

2018-01-18 20:15:20 UTC  

lots of ideas for how to take it and distribute it

2018-01-18 20:15:26 UTC  

Hey there

2018-01-18 20:15:29 UTC  

Their ideas trickle down

2018-01-18 20:15:46 UTC  

Is it a coincidence that watered down communist ideas emerged a few decades after they started their work in universities?

2018-01-18 20:16:17 UTC  

are Communists the absolute origin of that

2018-01-18 20:16:27 UTC  

There is a lineage between Marxism and it, yes

2018-01-18 20:16:52 UTC  

The books themselves were all written by Marxists / communists

2018-01-18 20:17:01 UTC  

They're available online

2018-01-18 20:18:03 UTC  

ok and there's a lineage between Catholicism and communism, does that mean all communism is Christianity

2018-01-18 20:18:11 UTC  

What lineage is that?

2018-01-18 20:18:58 UTC  

well for one the Augustinian narrative that Marx

2018-01-18 20:19:15 UTC  

The workers revolt as secular eschaton

2018-01-18 20:19:26 UTC  

That's not a lineage, that's them interacting

2018-01-18 20:19:34 UTC  

Or how about equality in the image of god

2018-01-18 20:19:44 UTC  

Marx wrote books and made followers. These followers then wrote books of their own and taught at universities

2018-01-18 20:19:48 UTC  

That is a direct lineage

2018-01-18 20:20:10 UTC  

Marx and his ideas didn't come out of a vacuum

2018-01-18 20:20:25 UTC  

Don't make ad hoc conclusions here

2018-01-18 20:20:48 UTC  

I never claimed emergence from vacuum

2018-01-18 20:21:02 UTC  

If not him, then someone else could have done it

2018-01-18 20:21:16 UTC  

someone else could have been the peak of the wave

2018-01-18 20:22:00 UTC  

Here's a fun documentary

2018-01-18 20:24:58 UTC  

Equality before god and equality in Marxism is, I believe, convergent evolution

2018-01-18 20:25:03 UTC  

Marx hated god

2018-01-18 20:25:06 UTC  

He was a misotheist

2018-01-18 20:25:19 UTC  

that's not important

2018-01-18 20:25:22 UTC  

quite frankly

2018-01-18 20:27:06 UTC  

you have to put white guilt and much of communism into a much larger and more complex context

2018-01-18 20:28:25 UTC  

So shit like racial guilt is not really evidence of working class stiffs *wanting to rise up & overthrow the borgouise and replace capitalism with Communism.*

2018-01-18 20:28:59 UTC  

I already told you that they decided to obfuscate and separate their ideas

2018-01-18 20:29:35 UTC  

And that the ideas are watered down the further from the source they are

2018-01-18 20:30:03 UTC  

Ok and a bunch of white people who feel guilty about their racial identity aren't necessarily going to want to resolve that by installing communism

2018-01-18 20:30:20 UTC  

I didn't say that they would want to, either

2018-01-18 20:32:00 UTC  

I'm not making outrageous claims

2018-01-18 20:32:10 UTC  

They were a very effective think tank which employed a strategy of not providing a target for their opponents

2018-01-18 20:32:51 UTC  

and of giving people a smorgösbord of ideas that are more easily digestible on their own, but which they hope will lead to their desired outcome

2018-01-18 20:32:58 UTC  

It's a hydra

2018-01-18 20:33:18 UTC  

you challenged my statement that `a global revolution of workers installing proletariat rule' is never going to happen.`

2018-01-18 20:33:30 UTC  

It's not going to happen,