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@👻S🅱ooccy👻pls join VC

Isn't regulated market actually leads to monopoly.

I think it depends

Most often, the issues with an economic system lies in the people in charge rather than the structure itself

@OOFgouf Well, market is a competition and you can win in it. As you can see the companies only become bigger. Capital accumulates.

I don't really care about winning it

I want a society that can hold itself up

There would be monopolies in the US if not the anti-monopoly laws.

@OOFgouf The only way capitalism would work properly (including Fascism) is by denying profit as a main goal. But it can't happen.

Egalitarianism is anti-science

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@Kfish It's the only way to develop properly. The privileges and lack of social elevators (sometimes even the institution of inheritance) prevent talented people from starting to bring benefits to society.

@Kfish In the Russian Empire there were almost no scientists who had left the peasantry. But in the USSR with a free education - a huge number of peasants became scientists and advanced science.

For example.

@YMHUK42 That would be meritocracy though. Pure egalitarianism throughout is anti-science

Obviously the USSR wasnt gonna accept downies that try to become scientists

@Kfish Communism does not declare that people are biologically equal.

But they should be socially equal.

Have equal opportunities.

so farmers should be paid the same amount as sscientists?

After the revolution we shall turn Christmas socalist an make Marx santa ..he shall be santa marx

@Kfish No. But the difference shouldn't be like "Scientists can buy anything and farmers are starve".

yeah that makes sense

I dont see why we even disagree otherwise

In some socialist models physical laborers earn more than office workers to offset risk and physical stress, so they can work less

@👻S🅱ooccy👻 It's because such work ruins health.

Well yea, but also office work is typically less demanding and enjoyed more too

Like miners or steel-factory workers.

@Kfish It's actually interesting that the most open-minded right-wingers I have met were libertarians.

pretty sure moving left wasnt inevitable, moving towards non-ideologycucked systems was what happened

thats why most superpowers are authoritarian or centrist

if you arent restricted by your ideals

Anarchists couldn't manage a superpower tbh

@👻S🅱ooccy👻 because there is no such thing as pragmatism for anarchists

anyone doing anything would go against their ideology

At least not in popular examples of anarchy there's no pragmatism

Most societies move towards populism or leftism naturally tho as a result of worker and citizens struggle historically, this is also the stage most empires collapse because the elite want to retain power

not particularly a bad thing

just wish they could get the saudis first

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPBI3Sy2A38