@Turia so you believe in Sola Gratia then ?

The thing about Morality is that it's not rocket science. It's not "making the most people feel the best" or "maximum utility"
Morality is encoded in man and revealed through nature. The Bible expands upon what's already evident in man.

catholics and protestants both believe that

The bible does not really touch advanced moral dilemmas though. And the contradictions where Yahweh commands genocide of children are just dismissed.

What

Catholics do not believe in Sola Gratia

they do with semantic differences

Well Yahweh isn't man, so morality isn't really applicable...?

works come through grace given by God

@333 by that logic the Baal worshipers can say the same thing

without works you're not saved in the first place

no catholics believe in grace alone @Outboarduniform

@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] Explain please?

Baal is not man therefore murdering children for Baal is cool too

see how it's equivalent?

you cant live a life without works if you truly believe in God and Christ

@agag

Except that it's not

how so

@agag

@TradChad what

Faith is what spawns works

Do you believe that sacrificing children to an idol is moral?

USA

if you have no faith, why would you do good works or even attempt to get into heaven

what is LXX

you wouldnt believe in heaven

septuagint

Why does turia say LXX is fake

@333 no, the example was made purely to prove your Yahweh is as immoral in the OT as the Baal cults at least in some parts

why does turia say LXX is fake

i didnt say it was fake

@333 Child sacrifice is based

dont put words in my mouth

stop generalizing

what did he say

Turia thinks LXX canon is bs

why

James 2:14-26

Idk!

**James 2:14-26 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<14> What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? <15> If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, <16> And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? <17> Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. <18> Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. <19> Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. <20> But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? <21> Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? <22> Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? <23> And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. <24> Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. <25> Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? <26> For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. ```