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@Cawaii Why are you an atheist.
You picked the literal worst option.
now it's better
can't lie tbh
I am not really religious
Theism has nothing to do with religion though.
perhaps
I was brought up in a Muslim conservative country
I can label myself as an exmuslim
So I assume you've read the Kalam Cosmological Argument
I haven't
@Cawaii
1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore the universe has a cause.
4. There cannot be an infinite regress of causes.
5. There cannot be a circular causation.
6. Therefore the universe was caused (either directly or indirectly) by an uncaused cause (i.e that had no beginning).
7. The uncaused cause must transcend space and time, and be sentient.
8. But to say a sentient being that transcends space and time brought the universe into existence, is to say that God exists.
9. Therefore God exists.
One of my main points of Agnostic view is the "I'll believe it when I see it" argument, and I love to factor in the ideas that there could be more Gods than thought and believed on the planet Earth, and a true God could exist as the Universe
I'll believe it when I see it is anchoring truth to empiricism
Which is subjective/a preference
if brett likes bud lite he shouldnt be in the supreme court
True, empiricism really does lock out certain theories and arguments necessary for understanding the universe around us, but the basis of being an Agnostic is purely being subjective.
Does God exist or not, I'll believe it when I see it.
how would you be able to "see" omniscience and omnipotence?
hint: you can't
It all comes back down to being subjective.
that's not an argument
you're just saying outright "lol I don't care because it's my opinion"
Without God you have an infinite regress of subjectivity
btw calling something subjective is an objective claim about subjectivity, which imo undermines the ontological potency of subjectivist arguments
nothing is subjective
that is a meme
Empiricism can be embedded within a greater science, which can be embedded in a greater science, within a greater science, etc.
So just out of curiosity, is your theist belief the belief that god is the cosmos?
No
To me, He is the Unmoved Mover
Can you elaborate?
^ the 9 point argument I posted
He is the anchor to the causal chain
He exists outside the natural world, He is the unactualized actualizer.
He initiated all movement. The Unmoved Mover.
God bless America