manned space travel

Well, since it would take 225 million years for the sun to complete orbit around the galaxy, it is very slow.

idk 1.3 million mph seems fast

Relative to the vast scale of such a universe, pathetically slow it seems.

"Seems fast" is not mathematical nor scientific

Yeah, it is subjective

I tend to focus on what can be proven by general observation and experiments ordinary day to day people can do, so this galactic orbit isn't really that interesting to me anyways.
I think things like earth rotation can be proven by general people in principle, as well as earth shape, no space agencies or scientific journals needed

yes but u observe a boat that appears to be going over the horizon and its not proof positive it is going over the curve it could be an optical thing

their is a second option other than it going over the curve

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right off the rip when u look out at the ocean the water appears to be going higher than ur feet thats what we observe we know thats not correct though right

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"it could be" isn't really a valid refutation. We observe obscuring, no hypothetical needed, onus is on someone else if they want to insert a hypothetical to explain it away.
I think flat earth will have a very hard making a comeback in light of this

so our first observation when we look out to sea is not correct with reality

It is the case because of our perspective in relation to the distance.
Same is true with objects decreasing angular size with distance, it is a demonstrable and known fact of reality.

before we talk about boats or anything the water in the ocean is appearing to go above ur feet all the way to ur eyeline our first observation of whats going on when we look out at the ocean is incorrect with reality

u cant cherry pick what is real when we look out at the ocean

No need to cherry pick, we rely on what we see. In this case, water obscuring distant objects, a convex hump in between the observer and object

we see the water going above our feet all the way up to our eyeline we should rely on that as observational fact the water is getting higher ?

Like I said, that is a known observable fact of nature, perspective. The relative angles of the ground to our eyes, it really couldn't be either way.

ok so u agree the first thing we see when we look out to the ocean does not reflect reality

It does reflect reality

the water is really as high as ur eyeline ?

or isnt it

Yes, relative to you, the angles become more shallow relative to eye level at farther distance

we see the water at our eyeline is it really high as our eyeline

cmon

u really trying to argue with me on this one lol

Draw a person on paper, mark a line from their eye to a line representing the ground at different distances, and compare it to a line going straight out parallel to the ground, as the observers eye level, you'll see the lines extending to farther distances creating a more shallow angle with respect to the eye level line.
Showing how this effect happens as physical reality

ur standing at the ocean u look out the water looks like its high as ur eyeline but in reality it isnt getting higher than ur feet its getting lower. so our first observation when we look out to sea doesnt match what is happenning in reality

im making it as simple as possible for u idk how u dont understand or what ur trying to argue

are u saying the water is going up from our feet when we look out at the ocean

when we look out at the ocean the water is getting higher than our feet ?

When we look out, the water appears to rise because of our angle of view in relation to it. I think I'll draw a picture to help you visualize it.
Basically, this effect you describe does reflect physical reality

2 simple questions for u do we observe the water at our eyeline and is the water really going higher than our feet until its high as our eyeline ?

just answer yes or no to both of them

they are yes or no questions

ur trying to muddy the waters this is simple

genesis 1:6-9

**Genesis 1:6-9 - King James Version with Apocrypha (KJVA)**

```Dust


<6> And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. <7> And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. <8> And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. <9> And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. ```

sheeple u understand what im saying ?