Message from @Sh0t

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2020-01-06 21:47:00 UTC  

any export heavy economy basically depends on the US navy etc

2020-01-06 21:47:19 UTC  

Trying but not succeeding basically

2020-01-06 21:47:28 UTC  

Not until something changes

2020-01-06 21:47:46 UTC  

well main thing in Europe is the Germans are too selfish to do what we do to have our position

2020-01-06 21:48:01 UTC  

'basically' run twin deficits

2020-01-06 21:48:19 UTC  

OR just scrap monetary union altogether, but Germany benefits from the curreny monetary policy

2020-01-06 21:48:37 UTC  

Germany accuses Greece of behaving in ways Greece can't really avoid, because of Germany's massive trade surplus

2020-01-06 21:48:56 UTC  

in prior days, Greece would have devalued and evened out things, but with Euro, they can't, so they are stuck

2020-01-06 21:49:27 UTC  

This was one of the most predicted effects of the Euro prior to its creation, from socialists, capitalists, etc. they all could see it

2020-01-06 21:50:21 UTC  

And as a Romanian MEP put it, the capital flows are also east to west, in addition to the obvious from the monetary policy

2020-01-06 21:50:56 UTC  

Interesting. It gets even muddier than I initially thought

2020-01-06 21:52:13 UTC  

tricks of the trade, bad econ might be taught for a reason

2020-01-06 21:52:41 UTC  

in the US we have a different scenario. We have a monetary union, a fiscal union(but it's lopsided) and the COnstitution EXPLICITLY outlaws tariffs between the states

2020-01-06 21:53:12 UTC  

imagine if the last part weren't true, many states would have tariffs on other states. "low wage labor" from southern carolina impacting california or whatever

2020-01-06 21:53:35 UTC  

instead we use tricks like the minimum wage law. Federal min wage hits the whole country, but cost of living is different so the effects are not the same

2020-01-06 21:54:10 UTC  

if cost of living is 20 an hour in boston, but 7 in south carolina, federal min wage of 8 bucks hurts SC more than boston, erodes their cost of labor advantage

2020-01-06 21:55:27 UTC  

if tariffs were allowed internally, you could imagine tariff lines all over the place in the US. in place of that, we have fiscal sharing where california 'taxes' are spent in south carolina, so they we have many states that are net tax-winners, paying far less than they get

2020-01-06 21:56:46 UTC  

Look, a normal conversation on this server

2020-01-06 21:56:50 UTC  

How rare

2020-01-06 21:57:02 UTC  

Of course it's between sh0t and boo

2020-01-06 21:57:11 UTC  

Boo is the people's champ

2020-01-06 21:57:20 UTC  

Oh don't mind us

2020-01-06 21:57:49 UTC  

It's good to sometimes unwind from ideological hostilities with other people

2020-01-06 21:58:53 UTC  

she lays out some of it there. US has similar kind of issues but not as bad because we are a real fiscal union. it has been a running fight since the revolution ended though

2020-01-06 21:59:26 UTC  

Gonna have to look into this in detail

2020-01-06 21:59:38 UTC  

when world had a 'gold standard', similar problems occured internationally, which didnt' help the situation prior to the world wars

2020-01-06 21:59:41 UTC  

Got anymore reading material?

2020-01-06 22:07:22 UTC  

no 😄

2020-01-06 22:07:54 UTC  

It's okay

2020-01-06 22:08:16 UTC  

That article could be a good starting point for further research

2020-01-06 22:10:36 UTC  

that's what macro players do

2020-01-06 22:11:04 UTC  

that Romanian MEP aint too shabby either

2020-01-06 22:11:18 UTC  

French-Romanian

2020-01-06 22:12:00 UTC  

But her point happens 'internally' in many countries as well, US included. it's almost impossible to get 'the other side' to admit any of the reality of how flows are actually going

2020-01-06 22:12:57 UTC  

gotta build a chart with the actual numbers, but take off any name labels, get somebody admit what they are seeing, then re-add the labels and see if they have the integrity

2020-01-06 22:15:03 UTC  

I have actually seen that happen before so at least I know what to expect

2020-01-06 22:18:14 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513098339961798676/663868950848864296/ENnw4EIXkAEQyLA.jpg

2020-01-06 22:19:10 UTC  

internally or even i a situation like the EU, you get all sorts of beef over say interest rate policy though the tools involved are not as powerful as the beliefs claim they are

2020-01-06 22:19:18 UTC  

the big debtors versus say pension funds that want fixed income