Message from @Sophie

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2020-02-18 19:58:29 UTC  

CON laws

2020-02-18 19:58:36 UTC  

Yes, it's an example of how deregulation lowers prices.

2020-02-18 19:58:38 UTC  

CON laws prevent Medicaid abuse

2020-02-18 19:58:49 UTC  

Removing these barriers reduce prices universally.

2020-02-18 19:58:49 UTC  

If you repeal them, faculties abuse Medicaid

2020-02-18 19:58:58 UTC  

No, it’s an example on how regulation lowers prices

2020-02-18 19:58:59 UTC  

Technically my plan requires gutting medicaid.

2020-02-18 19:59:03 UTC  

You frontload the cost

2020-02-18 19:59:12 UTC  

There are no regulations that you speak off.

2020-02-18 19:59:15 UTC  

Yeah, I know

2020-02-18 19:59:20 UTC  

Literally the ACA

2020-02-18 19:59:23 UTC  

Lowered prices

2020-02-18 19:59:28 UTC  

As I proved to you last time

2020-02-18 19:59:30 UTC  

It ended up with higher prices of insurance.

2020-02-18 19:59:35 UTC  

No, it did not.

2020-02-18 19:59:38 UTC  

The year before it was inacted it was slowing.

2020-02-18 19:59:42 UTC  

Prices ended up rising faster.

2020-02-18 19:59:47 UTC  

That is a lie.

2020-02-18 20:00:02 UTC  

I'll be back later.

2020-02-18 20:00:06 UTC  

I would love to see you in a room with some hedge fund guys saying what you’re saying right now

2020-02-18 20:00:25 UTC  

You would be mercilessly ridiculed for how ill-informed you are.

2020-02-18 20:03:50 UTC  

The diploma mills were encouraged by a public that abhorred government regulation or any interference with the rights of the common man to do as he wished. There were no licensing requirements for medical personnel or professional oversight. In the face of declining respectability, physicians, anxious to reestablish their credentials, began to use more extreme depletion methods. Their model was Benjamin Rush, who as a leading physician at the turn of the century proposed using more extreme bleeding and purging. The poorly trained could point to the dramatic effects of their therapies as a form of success.

But not all people accepted this “heroic” medicine. The result was a proliferation of competing health initiatives, a growth of medical sectarians such as homeopaths, hydropaths, new botanical theorists such as Thomsonianism as well as fitness gurus such as Sylvester Graham and John Harvey Kellogg. The sugar-coated pill advertised by a variety of entrepreneurs also competed freely. They had only to patent the shape of the bottles. There was no control over their ingredients. The medical scene in the nineteenth century was a chaotic free-for-all.

2020-02-18 20:06:04 UTC  

I'm back.
@Puerto Rican Nelson Comparing 1800s to now is idiotic, especially in the light of evidence that shows occupational licensing doesn't improve quality.
> The provision of health care to low-income Americans remains an ongoing policy challenge. In this paper, I examine how important changes to occupational licensing laws for nurse practitioners and physician assistants have affected cost and access to health care for Medicaid patients. The results suggest that allowing physician assistants to prescribe drugs (including controlled substances) is associated with a substantial (more than 11 percent) reduction in the dollar amount of outpatient claims per Medicaid recipient. I find little evidence that expanded scope of practice has affected proxies for access to care such as total claims and total care days. Relaxing occupational licensing requirements by broadening the scope of practice for healthcare providers may represent a low-cost alternative to providing quality care to America’s poor."
https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/Timmons-Scope-of-Practice-v2.pdf

2020-02-18 20:06:30 UTC  

@Sophie Going back to what I was saying, a WC exam is reduced by a fair amount with occupational licensing barriers removed moderately.

2020-02-18 20:06:36 UTC  

That's universal for the entire healthcare system.

2020-02-18 20:06:46 UTC  

do pharma companies want single payer?

2020-02-18 20:06:57 UTC  

basically do the opposite of whatever they want

2020-02-18 20:07:08 UTC  

right?

2020-02-18 20:07:28 UTC  

Well Pharma companies would be right single payer sucks, they would be wrong when they oppose importing drugs from other countries (Trump is doing this).

2020-02-18 20:07:57 UTC  

we actually rely heavily on china to produce our drugs

2020-02-18 20:08:01 UTC  

needs to end

2020-02-18 20:08:46 UTC  

You had your free market paradise. Fake doctors built empires on fake medicine, and nobody was able to practically afford anything. That's why the insurance industry began.

2020-02-18 20:09:03 UTC  

The insurance industry began because FDR froze wages in 1930s.

2020-02-18 20:09:15 UTC  

free market doesnt mean free of consumer protections

2020-02-18 20:09:19 UTC  

Also, because it was the 1800s. Technology and science was far worse, it's an in-apt comparison.

2020-02-18 20:09:37 UTC  

My system of private healthcare would generally have insurance for tragic events, like any other insurance (car, house).

2020-02-18 20:09:45 UTC  

without the US the entire global healthcare would be third world

2020-02-18 20:09:50 UTC  

It would be out of pocket, but prices cheap due to regulatory reform.

2020-02-18 20:11:30 UTC  

"After independence the character of the physician changed. They lost their special social status. Few went to Europe to study and thus they were cut off from advances on the other side of the Atlantic. Fewer still came from the educated population. Standards of medical education in this country declined dramatically. Minimally-trained doctors opened their own medical schools as moneymaking ventures encouraged by a growing commercial and acquisitive social climate. To entice students they eliminated most of the academic requirements that had been traditional. They seldom offered any laboratory experience or taught anatomy or even required literacy for admission. To compete, even the colleges with medical schools reduced their requirements."

2020-02-18 20:11:47 UTC  

The free market made american medicine stupider.