Message from @Khaine

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2020-02-15 16:52:24 UTC  

It really is. lol

2020-02-15 16:52:29 UTC  

I don't know.

2020-02-15 16:52:40 UTC  

The burden of proof is on the party claiming god does exist to prove it

2020-02-15 16:52:55 UTC  

How so? Did a judge decide that?

2020-02-15 16:53:12 UTC  

No? It's a basic logical concept

2020-02-15 16:53:17 UTC  

It really isn't.

2020-02-15 16:53:22 UTC  

Yes it is

2020-02-15 16:53:30 UTC  

Okay, refer me to your source.

2020-02-15 16:55:13 UTC  

I am still waiting, @Dagrad.

2020-02-15 16:55:17 UTC  

Oh you are fucking kidding me

2020-02-15 16:55:21 UTC  

My message gets deleted

2020-02-15 16:56:14 UTC  

Right, and why is the party that claims that God does exist any different than the party that claims that God does not exist in your active-vs-passive scenario?

2020-02-15 16:56:23 UTC  

Ok imma retype it

2020-02-15 16:56:26 UTC  

I read it.

2020-02-15 17:00:51 UTC  

The burden of proof can only be on the active or passive side. The active side is the one that has a belief, or is performing an action. The passive side is the one that does not have a belief, or is not performing an action.

There are an infinite number of things you are not doing, and an infinite number of things you don't believe in. It is logically impossible to prove/justify them all, therefore the burden of proof CANNOT be on the passive side. Since this is a true dichotomy, the burden of proof must be on the active side.

Claiming that something *doesn't* exist is a negative claim, which means that its the passive stance. Claiming that something *does* exist is a positive claim, which means that is the active stance.

2020-02-15 17:01:06 UTC  

Like I said, I already read that.

2020-02-15 17:01:10 UTC  

I can see it in logs.

2020-02-15 17:01:25 UTC  

i added something

2020-02-15 17:01:36 UTC  

> Right, and why is the party that claims that God does exist any different than the party that claims that God does not exist in your active-vs-passive scenario?
@Vlad

2020-02-15 17:01:47 UTC  

"Claiming that something doesn't exist is a negative claim, which means that its the passive stance. Claiming that something does exist is a positive claim, which means that is the active stance."

2020-02-15 17:02:23 UTC  

But anyways, lets assume that i do have to prove that god doesn't exist for some reason, i will

2020-02-15 17:02:28 UTC  

Is your god omnipotent

2020-02-15 17:02:34 UTC  

I don't know.

2020-02-15 17:02:57 UTC  

Do you believe in a god?

2020-02-15 17:03:07 UTC  

Not really.

2020-02-15 17:03:40 UTC  

What's next then?

2020-02-15 17:04:03 UTC  

Well if you do believe in a god that is indeed omnipotent

2020-02-15 17:04:13 UTC  

Why do I have to?

2020-02-15 17:04:18 UTC  

That god cannot exist since omnipotence itself is logically impossible

2020-02-15 17:04:23 UTC  

I didn't say you have to

2020-02-15 17:04:34 UTC  

i said *if*

2020-02-15 17:04:36 UTC  

But you're positioning the argument as if I had to.

2020-02-15 17:04:45 UTC  

No I'm not

2020-02-15 17:04:50 UTC  

What if I don't believe in an omnipotent god?

2020-02-15 17:05:03 UTC  

Then my argument doesn't apply to your god

2020-02-15 17:05:16 UTC  

Okay, so how does your argument prove that there is no God?

2020-02-15 17:05:31 UTC  

I should have specified that it disproves the idea of a christian god

2020-02-15 17:05:53 UTC  

Since the christian god is omnipotent, and omnipotence is logically impossible

2020-02-15 17:06:05 UTC  

Why can't God transcend human logic?

2020-02-15 17:06:23 UTC  

@Vlad Your logic

2020-02-15 17:06:24 UTC  

GG @Dagrad, you just advanced to level 25!