the solution needs to be illiberal or else America will be gone forever

@Lord of the Nazgûl I know

i'm talking about Classical Liberalism

Catholicism is incompatible with leftist values yes

GG @Lord of the Nazgûl, you just advanced to level 4!

But not right wing values

yes right wing values

Nope

especially right wing

Wrong

it is an issue of loyalty

yep

No it’s not

Church and state are separate

catholics are more loyal to the church than the state

in almost all cases

separation of church and state is difficult to impossible for catholics

No it’s not

I know

yes it is

Because I am one

Catholics don't believe in separation of Church and state

Yes we do

No we don't

read unam sanctam

juicy

Besides

Pelth is right technically

but i'm pretty sure he has loyalties that would supercede the nation state

only family

Everyone has that

i don't have any loyalty to the nation state of America

family > state

gay

I would lay down my life for the nation though

the people

Everyone is more loyal to themselves than their nation

the volk matters more than the pozzed government of the US

the nation state is just supposed to be a tool to further the wellbeing of the nation

Yes

Distinguishing the gov from the people is important