@Pelth you mean all Catholics? Or just the Vatican?

i mean you're either a real catholic or you're pretending to be one

loyalty to the vatican is treachery

over the state

The Vatican doesn’t demand loyalty

yes it does

Prove it

The nation-state of the vatican doesn't demand loyalty but the Pope does

because he's the head of the religion

No he doesn’t. I’ve never received any demands or orders from the pope

Catholicism never really tries to have people be less loyal to their own nation

it's called the bible

He doesn’t really have any power

a book of orders

from the pope

@Lord of the Nazgûl are you memeing rn

omg

The Pope obviously gives you declarations on faith and morals

lmao

that's obvious

@Pelth Bible wasn’t written by the pope

i’m losing brain cells

it's entirely curated by the pope

It was curated by a council

the Pope confirmed the council

lol

@Pelth wdym by vatican sending orders though

He didn’t do the work

the vatican interprets the bible

and those interpretations are orders to follow essentially

@run 110 minutes lose 110 pounds declarations on faith and morals are not in conflict with the state

Unless you live in China

Or North Korea

If the state makes you do immoral things you should refuse it

But following the state is something that the Church supports

and commands

Yes

render unto caesar that which is unto Caesar etc

As long as the state doesn’t go contrary to God’s laws

as long as those orders do not conflict with the church

but they often will