@jeff4121999 For some reason I’m interested in socialism but I have a centrist point of view

Ahh okay.

What about trade? Free trade, tariffs?

@Minimarshmallo sorry I still don't understand what centrist is when ever I ask someone I get called a racist sexist biggot

@Wyatt_Earp if there was free trade the stock market will plumet expanasially

@jeff4121999 Why is that?

@Minimarshmallo What is it about socialism that you like?

Well if you dont pay for your trade/ shipment of over seas goods that's how lose money and make money into prices of useless copper

@Wyatt_Earp does that explain my point of view?

@jeff4121999 kinda, I guess. So would you support some level of tariffs on imports, or other limits on trade>

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Yes definately

So a tariff is basically a sales tax, but for imports. I don't like it when the government uses sales taxes to influence what I buy. In New York, they put extra taxes on large sodas to fight obesity.

Can we move this to a call sorry for being rude but I'm trying to multi task XD

I wish, but I can't at the moment.

its 1 in the morning in the US

Its all good

I should probably knock off anyway. It's great chatting though.

I'm sorry to be rude but NYC does have an obesity problem I think what the government is doing is good in a way

Yea anytime mate

@Minimarshmallo are you still up?

Haha! I love the "mate." I am not southern, but I'll talk to y'all later.

Be safe and remember fuck feminism

at school

peace out

@Wyatt_Earp my personal viewpoint of socialism is that it's a counterbalance to capitalism. Capitalism has some serious flaws that brought the rise of the socialists in the 1840s. However, Socialism turns out as a few problems of higher severity. This is why every country (except NK) does a mix in an attempt to get the better of both systems while mitigating their flaws. Tends to work, but you need the right balance. Some nations are better for Capitalism because of their geography, these rest need more Socialism to generate funding for their economy (blue/green needs Capitalism, orange/red needs Socialism.)

@Tyberius D gimme an example where capitalism is practiced with socialism

and the ease of economic development in Estonia being "decent" hmm <:thunk:341213924898766848>

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@McBacoon almost every single country. Roads, education, and to a large degree healthcare are all socialized accross the world.

@McBacoon Estonia by climate would be orange, let your mess access to the Baltic would be green. Average it together you get yellow.

climate?

like

how hot it is?

lmao

wat

and define by what you mean under things like healthcare and roads being socialized?

@Tyberius D I am curious, what was the data for the graph? And what is it measuring? I am also curious as to why the countries in orange and red would need more socialism.

But as for the balance between capitalism and socialism, I see it like this: as Bastiat says, we all have a basic right to own property, and to dispose of it how we wish. That is where a capitalist free market comes from.

There are some cases were, in the interest of protecting property more effectively, individuals form collective groups to better provide for certain needs. You identified these as things like roads, public safety, and also national defense.

As part of the arrangement, individuals give up some of the property for these public goods, but the arrangement is not universal. It actually defeats the point if this model is extended to everything.

Yeah, climate. Building in a place that doesn't get too hot and has mild Winters is a lot cheaper than building in 105 degree rainforest, or 20 below permafrost.

Capitalism is economics via loaning, Socialism is economics via government spending. Last I checked, most countries have government funded roads and education.

```Building in a place that doesn't get too hot and has mild Winters is a lot cheaper than building in 105 degree rainforest, or 20 below permafrost.``` yeah... building doesent have much to do with that, but rather the upkeep costs... But given your criteria... we should get + points for that

```Capitalism is economics via loaning, Socialism is economics via government spending.``` lmao, that means full capitalistic countries have 100% of their GDP-s based on loans.... and no, thats not what socialism by its definition means