Message from @raqdog
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Oh I see, well I would still think that medicine and education should be allowed to function under a capitalist umbrella
we have seen "how well" the education and medicine industry does in the USA under capitalism
Student loan debts are out of control currently because the education systems are socializing
what?
Government subsidizing and risk absolving
Affirmative action
Programs that try provide access to education for those that can't obtain it otherwise are doing the exact opposite of what was intended.
even with the government cutting subsidies private schools are still more expensive imo, the USA isn't a good example of nationalisation, a good example of how nationalisation worked would be the Gotha program
plus college costs keep rising due to inflation and them charging too much for it.
The tuition rises because of government involvement. I don't think more government involvement would help. Schools need to demonstrate that they are in need of the money and this leads to Soviet Union type mess where you start to have teachers faking test score, attendance records, and just ruining the kids
The incentive needs to lie on just being a good school because the school down the street is also trying to be the best
The incentive shouldn't be, pass 50
Kids with an A and get a bonus at the end of the year. Or demonstrate that all your kids can pass this standardized test and the government will give you a grant for next year
The kids get passed along in this process, failing as they go, thinking that something is wrong with the system now and not them
But they aren't taught it's the school system, they are told its republicans or it's their race, or their class
what? The Soviet school system was one of the best in the world lol, even with some level of corruption. Where could you possibly find a nation devastated by WW1 and a civil war, yet by the 40th anniversary of the Russian Revolution launch the first satellite into space.
idk about how grading in the USA works, so yea.
but in my country, government schools are one of the best, their free until tertiary education.
Ok, the soviets were smart. But the problem is, they were smart about the wrong things when they became adults.
became adults?
what?
I'd say the typical Soviet Union citizen was not incentivized enough to contribute anything worth while
Take a distribution of Americans and soviets and yes, you will have some high performing and low performing individuals on as outliers
what no, they had every incentive to work. Its a common misconception that under socialism there's no incentives, which is compeletiy false.
The majority of the population though needs incentive to produce
the collapse of the SU had nothing to do with incentives
I think it's all about incentive
Think about it like this, this is a bit of a rabbit hole:
no it isn't, it's poor leadership and wrong economic planning by the Politburo, and the collapse of the Union was further exasperated by a certain Gorbachev
In the effort to make an artificially intelligent robot. The hardest hurdle to first overcome is to get the machine to even recognize objects
The whole world is just one big object to the machine, it can't distinguish anything
Because first, before it can distinguish an object, it needs to filter out what's not important
And similar to this the way AI is being constructed, the majority of our circuitry is not actually reading what's going on in the world, it's trying to filter it out
These filters mean that we have to have a goal in mind to even make sense of the world when we get out of bed. For instance, you don't see the world completely when you hop out of bed, you'd go insane and wouldn't even be able to move. All you see are your slippers and an alarm clock
It's a bit of a rabbits hole like I said, but if you follow this chain of logic a bit more, you realize how goal oriented someone needs to be to function at all.
i understand your example, but incentivisation had nothing to do with the collapse or the SU, I alr explained the reasons why it collapsed
Goal oriented may not translate completely to incentive. But we build a whole narrative for ourselves based on these models we choose, socialism or capitalism
did you know that workers are actually more incentivised under socialism than capitalism?
this again is directly related to the theory of socially necessary labour time
Yeah explain that. You get snlt and it's like a currency?
it's a false narrative that the profit motive is what defined capitalism, under a capitalist system the profit motive only benefits the bourgeois and not the workers
Well