Message from @raqdog
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Capitalism is war, you compete daily to make yourself better than your competitors. Socialism is like a stagnant halt to progress, unless there is a bigger goal in mind, like getting to the moon or bankrupting the US in the Cold War.
But the individuals, I just don't see how they would feel motivated to do anything unless they are heavily propagandized by the state
@Egoy true, that's why I said we had to work on the development of quantum computing until we have reached a sufficient level of computing power to calculate economic processes. When I meant by "supply and demand" in a socialist economy, I mean this law would still be in place, as supercomputers measure the demand and supply of every commodity, and then allocate relevant amount of production to each sector.
Yes, human wants is a reflection of commodities being produced and sold, it will always account for it.
@raqdog capitalism is merely transitionary, socialism depends on the industrial base of capitalism to build itself up. Capitalism, like any other ideology, is not permenant and will give way to another economic ideology superior to itself. In a socialist society, there will be always a slight surplus of commodities, in the case of unforseen and marginal fluctuations in the consumption of consumer goods. If this is the case, supercomputers would account for it and draw back production from relevant sectors and increase production in a sector where its lacking.
Yes, socialism is a communal goal, it can only be achieved when the working class is educated about socialism and class consciousness. Socialism has nothing to do with the state, decisions are made by the people and the people alone.
Socialism IS a communal goal? Or socialism NEEDS a communal goal? That's the difference here
why do we need a competitive nature? the state, or the people actually, have far more resources than to innovate under a capitalist society, where you depend on your own capital. Innovation would skyrocket under socialism, because innovation under capitalism is only driven by profit
socialism is a communal goal
achieved by the working class united
People who generate the most successful ideas and markets in a capitalist society are hardly ever driven by just profit. Their companies end up being sustained by it and thrive off of profit because people want more of it. And it's a useful byproduct that sustains more innovation
How do you see a Silicon Valley emerge in a socialist society?
Or a spacex?
Or an amazon?
Or Walmart
oh no, this profit only benefits the bourgeois, ever since do the workers enjoy the fruits of their own labour? Profit keeps the capitalist system going, if not it would collapse. No matter what the capitalists are on a personal level, without profit, there would be no capitalism
@raqdog they would be all communally owned by the people, and thus far more resources would be allocated to it
Walgreens didn't even use a business model that accounts for profit. They accounted for number customer visits.
so how would a company operate without profit?
there would be no incentive to
just look at pathetic NASA
only has a budget of 20 billion
If they used a business model that focused on profit they wouldn't have even come up with the idea to place a store every few blocks
while the US military has a budget of 500 billion dollars to fund imperialism
tell me that
NASA has no goal
pathetic, right?
channeling funds into the military
instead of investing into science
Their goal for the last year was to maintain the space station, as per congressional law
Or last several years I mean
yea, when the space race was over, there was no reason to extend it
Our military is the largest threat deterrent and humanitarian effort on the planet
yes, I'm pretty sure Latin American nations faced posed a threat to the USA in the 60s and 70s militarily
ever heard of Chile attempting to land in San Francisco to establish socialism?
A business sustains it self on profit, but also on risk, gotta take risk
yes and so?
Well that's why the military is a deterrent
It deters conflicts.
HAHAH
It's a very difficult metric to quantify. You can't list the number of conflicts you deter. You'll never know
Did Latin America ever wanted to get into a conflict with the US?