theyve been convinced by the media that the american dream should be to live in a big liberal city

You just don't see it because their cohesion is just upstream. They are the source of our core values, which you take as granted. Personal liberty, individual responsibility. The triumph of the diligent good over the screeching evil.

look, you might make parallels between the two, but i grew up with those values having ZERO christian influence

im a first generation immigrant, remember

goddammit i wanna get rid of this shitty ass fetish

And clearly you've taken it upon yourself to adopt our values wholesale

i didnt adopt it, i had it myself

you cant say i adopt it when it was original

ive since sworn an oath of citizenship to the US, yes

so i AGREE

with the values

but they are MINE

y am i ignored

because you joined during a debate @Patriotic Frog

Alright, fair enough, you moved here and just-so-happened to fit in perfectly. That's fine, and possible, but then you disqualify yourself from commenting on our source of cohesion, since you're claiming that yours was by coincidence.

@Patriotic Frog maybe post in serious

I would suggest that maybe you've thrived in it, and had your views bolstered by the ambient American culture.

without christian values, people support abortion

and that's something as simple as murdering a baby being bad or not

the ambient american culture has ACTIVELY SHAT ON MY VIEWS

i lived in CONNECTICUT

lmao

so yes, religion is highly influential on the moral code

ive been surrounded by liberals my whole life

and had liberal media around me

Well, clearly you found us at t_d

only in 2016 onward

before that i had nothing

so you weren't totally severed from true American ideals

and i dont derive my values from an internet forum

I became a conservative in 2015

ive been a conservative since my first thoughts about politics

idk living with a bunch of liberals is considered being severed from American ideals

i became one when i was 5

I was a communist.

then I got a job in management of a shop that had a union

Ed, i respect your love for christianity's potential to reinforce good values, i get it

"Me, me, me. Mine." -Me when I was 3, probably

and it does have that potential

but its not singlehandedly responsible, nor is it singlehandedly the future

it's more than just "potential", it is highly influential