Message from @WP

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2019-09-19 04:28:08 UTC  

the u.s political system today is a LESS DEMOCRATIC version of serfdom

2019-09-19 04:28:13 UTC  

because today a vote means nothing

2019-09-19 04:28:24 UTC  

but back then with such a high level of represenation a community had influence on their burgess or knight

2019-09-19 04:28:42 UTC  

it's the same system

2019-09-19 04:28:42 UTC  

any influence they had was informal at best, even a lord himself had limited political influence

2019-09-19 04:28:44 UTC  

it is 800 years old

2019-09-19 04:28:50 UTC  

edward i establishes model parliament in 1295 or whatever

2019-09-19 04:28:55 UTC  

sometime late 1200s

2019-09-19 04:29:01 UTC  

since then it just gradually evolves

2019-09-19 04:29:17 UTC  

but overtime you get less people per represenative and it becomes more corrupt and it becomes the rule of the elite

2019-09-19 04:29:18 UTC  

remember this, hierarchical societies work best

2019-09-19 04:29:25 UTC  

put that on your political compass

2019-09-19 04:29:32 UTC  

and the biggest trick of all is that come universal suffrage inthe 1800s they can rule

2019-09-19 04:29:36 UTC  

we livei n the most hierarchial society today

2019-09-19 04:29:40 UTC  

not serfdom lol

2019-09-19 04:29:50 UTC  

the people who rule today rule and engineer society how they like

2019-09-19 04:29:53 UTC  

they couldn't do that in serfdom

2019-09-19 04:29:58 UTC  

in serfdom the serfs could revolt

2019-09-19 04:30:07 UTC  

it's amazing how you have everything the wrong way around

2019-09-19 04:30:09 UTC  

society should remain simple

2019-09-19 04:30:33 UTC  

do you understand what i'm giving you a perspective of though?

2019-09-19 04:30:37 UTC  

and no they couldn't revolt generally

2019-09-19 04:30:44 UTC  

lol yes they fucking could and they did all the time

2019-09-19 04:30:49 UTC  

they would have no legal authority or recognition

2019-09-19 04:30:53 UTC  

when was the last time we had a revolt in the west?

2019-09-19 04:30:58 UTC  

and generally no reason to revolt

2019-09-19 04:31:01 UTC  

they put the nobility in their place all the time

2019-09-19 04:31:04 UTC  

because like i said, life wasn't too bad

2019-09-19 04:31:07 UTC  

lol holy shit the revolts are endless

2019-09-19 04:31:13 UTC  

the revolts under virtually every king

2019-09-19 04:31:18 UTC  

they took over towns, executed nobles

2019-09-19 04:31:24 UTC  

revolts would have been led by nobles

2019-09-19 04:31:27 UTC  

and it had big impacts and the nobility had to be careful

2019-09-19 04:31:44 UTC  

a serf will revolt under the leadership of a noble but not by himself in almost all cases

2019-09-19 04:31:50 UTC  

like jack cade rebellion?

2019-09-19 04:31:56 UTC  

like peasant's revolt?

2019-09-19 04:32:13 UTC  

these were peoples' movements

2019-09-19 04:32:33 UTC  

some knights joined in because they cared about their communities, similarly the barons fought one another all the time

2019-09-19 04:32:34 UTC  

nobles were ordained by god to rule, and it wasn't the serf's place to question it

2019-09-19 04:32:36 UTC  

the nobility fought one another

2019-09-19 04:32:40 UTC  

wrong