Ever since i discovered that a .50AE is the same length, and double the width of a fn5.7, i have wanted to see someone do a p90 in 50ae, it would go from a 50rnd double stack to probably a 20rnd single stack

.50AE would blow a P90 apart

probably

Yeah, I know it would.

P90s are Blowback operated, the pressure of the .50AE would blow up a Blowback action. Now you could build a new firearm to match the stock of the P90, but it would need vastly different internals.

also someone did this once

rim lock made it not gooood

Yeah,

definitely. P90 is simple blowback.

you could have a much heavier bolt and spring, but it would batter itself to pieces due to polymer construction.

and that shotgun mag again begs the question of why no one has made a rimless shotgun shell

They have Atkins, the thing is that the vast majority of Shotguns are built to headspace off of the rim of the shell. Nobody has really pushed the rimless Shells since they never went into major production.

just start with a 50bmg case that hasnt been necked down yet

Unless FN, Remington, Colt, HK and a few dozen other working with NATO and Interpol push a new 13g semiauto shotgun, rimless shotgun shells will not take off.

Actually thinking about it... The EU could be the way to make rimless shotgun shells... but it wouldn't be avalible to the public.

why EU, of all things? And why would they be unavailable for the public?

"Military and police ammunition shall not be made available to civilians." principle. Introduce a new shotgun for police and EU security services, but make it illegal to sell the ammo and firearms to all not police or military agencies.

that seems really counterproductive, especially for a shotgun shell. Sure you could argue it makes sense to restrict warheads if you make e.g. HEAT or gas cannister warheads for military use, but not really anything beyond that

a shotgun is hard to conceal, doesn't penetrate body armor, can't carry a ton of ammunition...

basically if you allow your population to own any weapon at all, a shotgun is probably the safest you could let them own. And since most EU countries already allow semi-automatic pistols and the like, no sense in restricting a semi-auto shotgun

That is why .308 Winchester is not avalible to the public in Germany, it can be chambered in 7.62NATO firearms and vice-verse. Because of this HK makes a none .308 Winchester versions for sale on the comerical market in Germany

that's Germany local laws, not EU laws

Those laws are not exclusive to Germany.

Some countries ban 9x19 because it is a military caliber, France is one of them or was... they recently changed the laws.

and what, police ammunition is 9x19mm, you can't own a regular ass pistol in Germany?

you sure as hell can in Finland, a friend of mine has a Saiga-12, semi-auto 12g shotgun as well

That would be a reason for the new shotguns and ammo being exclusive and thus they can exclude commercial sales.

yeah but why would they?

This is all hypothdical anyways. There needs to be some major push for developing new shotgun and ammo.

There isn't right now Crow, there is more than enough rimmed shells and most shotguns are made with tube magazines so the rim is not a major concern.

no I'm asking why they would restrict it and not allow it on the commercial market

how does that decision make sense?

the other option is belt feed. rim doesn't matter so much then

allowing it to civilians cuts cost, which is very important for what's a very niche product (not like every police officer is going to carry around a shotgun, it'll be one per every three vehicles or something like that depending on funding), and if you're already allowing civilians to own pistols and rifles and the like, allowing them to own a shotgun isn't a security risk. It's arguably safer to have a thousand pistols and a thousand shotguns out "in the wild" than to have two thousand pistols and no shotguns

Crow, the reason is elites wanting toys for themselves but not for the peasants. Think of it this way, when was the last major improvement on shotguns introduced? And I mean major improvement? the 1920's? In order to justify making a brand new shotgun shell and new shotguns at this point they would need to come up with something spectacular. The EU leadership would be willing to put that improvement in the hands of security but not the presents.

that makes no sense

What does an 8mm Lebel do better than a .270 Winchester round? Nothing. But since the end of WW2 French firearms collecters could have Lebels and Berthies, but couldn't shoot them since they were banned from having military caliber ammo.

Same went for 7.5 French Service.