Message from @WHAT

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2018-05-14 04:57:49 UTC  

I.E. if you can prove someone willingly got drugged out of their mind, you need not prove intent.

2018-05-14 04:58:42 UTC  

You did drugs, drove down the sidewalk, and killed people?

2018-05-14 04:58:58 UTC  

You think you weren't responsible for it?

2018-05-14 04:59:08 UTC  

Guess again, bucko. It's not manslaughter, it's murder.

2018-05-14 04:59:31 UTC  

We need a return to personal responsibility.

2018-05-14 04:59:54 UTC  

That's just my opinion on that.

2018-05-14 06:30:34 UTC  

@RyeNorth you are kind of misconstrueing a lot

2018-05-14 06:30:55 UTC  

I mean, I don't know that much about Christianity

2018-05-14 06:31:00 UTC  

but I know enough

2018-05-14 06:31:33 UTC  

(and the only relevant sects are Catholicism and Orthodoxy)

2018-05-14 06:32:22 UTC  

you know, like, it's not just sola fide, tradition plays a role too, which they were granted the permission to do

2018-05-14 06:32:53 UTC  

and also jesus made a new covenant with humanity so many of the old commands were made obsolete.

2018-05-14 06:33:42 UTC  

it's still really useful to understand judaism and the culture to get deeper in it but it's def. not essential

2018-05-14 06:34:52 UTC  

@WHAT Can you specify which old commandments were made obsolete?

2018-05-14 06:37:24 UTC  

Or where Jesus made this new covenant with humanity that bypasses Jewish law?

2018-05-14 06:37:39 UTC  

literally all over the new testament

2018-05-14 06:37:49 UTC  

Then it should be easy to cite.

2018-05-14 06:38:39 UTC  

ill just link a page with all of it that i found

2018-05-14 06:39:14 UTC  

"The teachings of Jesus, the Council of Jerusalem, and other New Testament teachings (John 1:16-17, Acts 13:39, Romans 2:25-29, 8:1-4, 1 Corinthians 9:19-21, Galatians 2:15-16, Ephesians 2:15) make it clear that Christians are not required to follow the Old Testament rules about crimes and punishments, warfare, slavery, diet, circumcision, animal sacrifices, feast days, Sabbath observance, ritual cleanness, etc."

2018-05-14 06:40:36 UTC  

and I'm no biblical scholar, heck, I'm agnostic, and I bet there are certain rules that are still followed and some that aren't. But the best blanket statement is that Jesus released people from the old law

2018-05-14 06:49:39 UTC  

Well, I mean, aside from the fact that it's in the bible that no prophet should ever take away, nor add to the commandment... It's incredibly likely that a lot of this is poorly translated.

2018-05-14 06:52:03 UTC  

I mean, I can give examples of poor translations within the new testament.

2018-05-14 06:54:12 UTC  

And I don't just mean 'Decearing Egg Preparation' levels of poor translation.

2018-05-14 06:54:38 UTC  

I mean things that weren't understood at the time that translations were made.

2018-05-14 06:55:05 UTC  

For instance, Matthew 26:34 refers to a rooster in the NIV.

2018-05-14 06:56:17 UTC  

Concerning Peter's denial of Jesus, he says that he will disown Jesus three times before the rooster crows.

2018-05-14 06:58:29 UTC  

In the area where this biblical event occurs, there would historically not be any fowl kept there. No roosters would be within range to be heard.

2018-05-14 06:59:03 UTC  

that's such a lame point, I mean, seriously

2018-05-14 06:59:10 UTC  

It's really not, though.

2018-05-14 06:59:15 UTC  

It's an example of the flaws in translation.

2018-05-14 07:00:16 UTC  

nobody has said anything about taht

2018-05-14 07:00:17 UTC  

that

2018-05-14 07:00:18 UTC  

What that line is actually referring to is the temple crier, because the words in their original translations are the same.

2018-05-14 07:00:38 UTC  

literally, I can't find anyone talking about what you're saying

2018-05-14 07:02:38 UTC  

i did just find what you are saying

2018-05-14 07:02:52 UTC  

and the word literally also translates to man

2018-05-14 07:03:10 UTC  

so it would be, if anything, a failure in modern translation.

2018-05-14 07:03:42 UTC  

And yet, in any cinematic retelling of the event

2018-05-14 07:03:51 UTC  

You find Peter deny Jesus three times, and then a rooster crows.

2018-05-14 07:03:52 UTC  

a failure which is completely inconsequential because no doctrine lies on the fact of whether a rooster crowed or not