you mean the dark ages and middle ages where europe fragmented into more countrys and conflict than ever before in history?

and war is the mother of creation

I also mean the foreign tribes like the Saxons who conquered England.

"but they were all christain guys" yeah like 600 years after the romans adopted it

and even then there were 10 different churches

and then you got the reformation wars

and the church being corrupt as shit because it was run by jews

I know as I said the fact that they were christian did more to unite the peoples in the Roman empire than divided them.

aussie your the most antieuropean nazi ive ever met

the roman empire was VERY united

we've come full circle

a neonazi is now arguing for how it "was not the jews"

I don't think every thing bad is because of the jews.

the security that the roman empire brought half the contanent was so great that is WHY the dark ages were so bad when they no longer had imperial protections

I know what's your point?

only the point ive been talking this entire time

christianity is responcible for holding europe back

I dissagree with you there.

the romans were already begining to experiment with steam power

before that shit

yeah you disagree with a lot of sensible shit

Who funded the universities and educated alot of people? It was the church.

well the romans and greeks invented academia

Mate the Greeks were doing that shit what's you point?

I know and the chruch preserved it.

and universities were heavly regulated by the church which underminded their actual use in for development until after the rennisance

which is why the rennisance is actually called the enlightenment

because the church actually suppressed education and distribution of information

which is why the printing press was fought agianst by the church

I know the church did some stupid shit but on the whole they did more to benefit the west then hurt it.

no they caused the dark ages

No they didn't the fall of the Roman empire caused the dark ages.

like sorry if you dont agree, your just ignorent if you dont accept these historical facts

@Arch-Fiend you are actually wrong

lets throw some bombs: without muslims there would be no going out from dark ages.... they preserved antic scriptures and were very inlightened to science... I regard contemporary era of muslimm religion in same way.... every religion evolve... now they are in that hold back grip

Like what, the Churches preserving and founding many schools of learning.

they are 500 - 600 years younger religion than ours

@athene To some extent that was true but it was more the persians than the arabs who preserved knowledge from Greece and Rome.

they had their own science also... we celebrate only greek and roman but those cultures are way younger than persian

to bad they destroy traces of it

True but the Greeks and Romans did more than the Persians. Fuck the Arabs for destorying what the Persians did.

anyway here my knowladge ends...persian arabs :/