Message from @pratel

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2018-08-01 19:36:18 UTC  

after the wave of dislikes, ofc

2018-08-01 19:36:24 UTC  

Sure. The educated millenials are tending atheist.

2018-08-01 19:36:40 UTC  

so they had lefties and rightwingers attacking them

2018-08-01 19:36:40 UTC  

But the overall political calculus favors catholics and other religious groups.

2018-08-01 19:36:57 UTC  

and this brought the religious right defending them

2018-08-01 19:37:02 UTC  

which was EVEN more weird

2018-08-01 19:37:24 UTC  

Yeah, but here's the thing.

2018-08-01 19:37:37 UTC  

The religious right created numerous TV channels like Trinity Broadcasting.

2018-08-01 19:37:54 UTC  

They operate a huge number of radio stations in rural areas.

2018-08-01 19:38:22 UTC  

They tend to actually know how to turn up people IRL to do grunt work like convincing people to vote or doing charity that gets good press locally.

2018-08-01 19:38:41 UTC  

but that turns the others away

2018-08-01 19:38:43 UTC  

Liberals, and libertarians especially always seemed a bit too self-absorbed and disorganized.

2018-08-01 19:39:14 UTC  

Trump won. But the right has no platform for the "regular rightwinger"

2018-08-01 19:40:02 UTC  

I don't see what you mean by that.

My argument is that GamerGate for example hasn't seemed able to actually construct alternatives.

2018-08-01 19:40:03 UTC  

Liberals don't need to organize if they can shit their ideas in public without issue

2018-08-01 19:40:33 UTC  

Yeah, so suppose all the liberals like Tim and the IDW move right.

2018-08-01 19:40:43 UTC  

They don't have the assets to continue speaking.

2018-08-01 19:40:48 UTC  

we agree, GG was big but there's no political movement (organized) or community out of it

2018-08-01 19:41:00 UTC  

And there is a lack of organization to create said assets.

2018-08-01 19:41:24 UTC  

GG had some momentum. They sent Kotaku's advertisers running.

2018-08-01 19:41:35 UTC  

But they failed to convert it into anything really long term.

2018-08-01 19:41:54 UTC  

and the media managed to poison it

2018-08-01 19:42:02 UTC  

I think that's part of it

2018-08-01 19:42:10 UTC  

Like, it had an effect--we probably wouldn't have Kanye endorsing the assistant to TPUSA without it.

But nothing really long term happened.

2018-08-01 19:42:27 UTC  

Yeah, fair. But what do you intend to do about it?

2018-08-01 19:42:32 UTC  

Complain about the media?

2018-08-01 19:42:41 UTC  

To a little GG circle?

2018-08-01 19:42:52 UTC  

There's not really any pressure.

2018-08-01 19:43:02 UTC  

GG helped birth media alternatives, they were just restricted to vidya

2018-08-01 19:43:15 UTC  

Because GG was done for social and financial reasons, not political

2018-08-01 19:43:24 UTC  

I changed my plan to an easier one

2018-08-01 19:43:26 UTC  

What alternatives?

2018-08-01 19:43:39 UTC  

every time I hear about these alternatives they've either turned or failed.

2018-08-01 19:43:51 UTC  

Techraptor got its initial numbers through GG, so did Nichegamer

2018-08-01 19:44:03 UTC  

Well the issue is that ultimately you need to be prepped to dump what doesn't work

2018-08-01 19:44:15 UTC  

It's difficult and constant. There's no long term cure

2018-08-01 19:44:18 UTC  

I moved to Japan, everything will be fine here as long as they don't manage to poison it. Conservatives here are in high number at least.

2018-08-01 19:44:56 UTC  

I can agree to dump the bad options. But this is the first time I heard of nichegamer and I've seen KiA complain about TechRaptor.

2018-08-01 19:45:01 UTC  

Also a surprising number of the GG formed sources are still active

2018-08-01 19:45:28 UTC  

People complained about TR because they threw Micah under the bus, which was garbage

2018-08-01 19:45:44 UTC  

But outside of that one instance they've been decent