yeah those are the same ones that do the stupiest shit i have ever seen

I also dont really like nudoom tho, I'd rather go back and play all the wads I havent touched

I just want to go fast and have good weapons and a lot of enemies to kill

You have that in nudoom tho

this is what brutal doom fans do when they get bored of brutal doom

I can't stand the trend of cinematic finishers in video games in general.

By the third level you have pistol, shotgun, heavy AR, plasma rifle and chainsaw

the guy got immediately banned for that as he was already warned 3 times and kicked prior to this

Only the chainsaw forces them

You can go the entire game without a single glory kill

You're not forced to use them, but the game is balanced around them existing.

But yeah I much prefer it that way to a game that forces them like Skyrim

Nah. Just gotta be good at dodging.

Though I heavily lean on them when attempting Ultra Nightmare. Still haven't beaten that.

My main issue is that they take away control and I don't care about seeing some 'badass' animation play out especially not for the 50th time

@propyne you start slow, and every enemy gets extra health so you can punch them using canned animations

I'd rather actually be doing the fighting than pressing a button to watch the game do it for me

Fuck you mean, you start slow

there are side by side videos where people shoot enemies on the same difficulty in OG DOOM and nuDOOM, and the nuDOOM enemies *all* have extra health

you start the game moving slow

in little corridors and little rooms

like it's painkiller

Not really, you have the same movement speed

no you definitely do not

Dunno about the first room, but by the time you're first on the surface you're fast

https://steamcommunity.com/app/379720/discussions/0/152390648077737460/

it makes sense for the design, since a lot of DOOM 2016 is room-corridor-room with limited enemy spawns and not a massive fucking maze with ludicrous enemy counts

but you are definitely slower

unless you also wanna suggest that Q3's base movespeed is higher than DOOM II's

I actually think doom 3 is a good horror action game even if it's terrible as a doom game.

it just felt like an xbox era shooter with the lights shut off at the start, so I turned it off and didnt bother with it again

slow movespeed makes sense for DOOM 3 though at least

Oh, you mean slower than old Doom

Right, that I can believe

yeah, I've been told there are speed upgrades, which made me throw up a bit in my mouth, but I'm still not going to play through til the point where the game allows me to finally play doomguy proper

also I find it bizarre that DOOM3 MP has such a slow movespeed. 50 ups lower than Q1/3

thats why i like d3, because i never been into generic shooters

but i gave the doom 2016 a fair shake, and after a while i started to get why people like it

i grew up with original doom and liked it at the time, but after all the generic copies i stopped seeing the appeal

I played the demo and didnt like anything so I never bothered with the rest
Also the demo is just the full fucking game despite only letting you play like 1 level

excuse me while I download your 65gb demo, idsoft