Message from @lemion

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2020-02-07 02:17:03 UTC  

A
do u think that *da selfproclaimed nogos* can be used to ban pridemarches
>something outside barking + *no province shekels for u*-

B nowa lewica club its making mrs garrison jokes

2020-02-07 02:46:17 UTC  

>they should change it
you realize they want to add a cross to it?

2020-02-07 03:27:49 UTC  

yeah and its totally ok

2020-02-07 03:28:02 UTC  

from a historical perspective

2020-02-07 03:43:13 UTC  

and about my question (nasty selfproclamatiovs could be used to ban pride parades)

2020-02-07 13:58:05 UTC  

>yeah and its totally ok
no it isn't
>from a historical perspective
so north americans should bring back union jacks because slavery was ok from historical perspective?

2020-02-07 13:59:11 UTC  

also, it's one of those moments (plenty of them actually) when I'm astonished how can rogal call himself a leftie

2020-02-07 14:34:22 UTC  

are you treating the cross as some evil symbol you need to fight against?

2020-02-07 14:34:46 UTC  

I'm concerned about heraldics here and not about current events and politics

2020-02-07 14:35:32 UTC  

it's more useful to take the historical 1,000 years long perspective on this, we're talking about the coat of arms of Poland

2020-02-07 14:47:57 UTC  

the cross features in it for centuries, our kings were crowned with a crown that had a cross on it, it doesnt need to have anything with our secularism

2020-02-07 14:48:19 UTC  

there are issues with the current coat of arms and if they change it for the better im happy with it

2020-02-07 14:49:23 UTC  

ngl kinda dumb from you that you judge if somenes right or left by their opinion about the cross in the coat of arms

2020-02-07 15:20:42 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421340864846102528/675360296378040320/1581077510959.png

2020-02-07 17:08:26 UTC  

huh

2020-02-07 17:09:13 UTC  

investing abroad has its benefits though

2020-02-07 18:57:30 UTC  

>huh
investing abroad has its benefits though
what that graph is showing theres no much point in accusing eastern EU members of being leeches when Western companies get out 2x more money out

2020-02-07 19:44:33 UTC  

yeh

2020-02-07 19:44:37 UTC  

red makes me thing its bad

2020-02-07 19:44:50 UTC  

or whats implied

2020-02-07 19:59:00 UTC  

>are you treating the cross as some evil symbol you need to fight against?
Yes.
>I'm concerned about heraldics
If you're more concerned about heraldics in this case then you're fucked up
It's like arguing about the color of the bullets when they are shooting at you
>historical 1,000 years long perspective
polish nation has at most 200 years of history in the most generous estimates
how the fuck can you even defend something like that lol

2020-02-07 20:00:02 UTC  

>Polish bishops call for John Paul II to be named co-patron of Europe
yeah, I wonder what Ireland would think about it <:haha:318675605233336330>

2020-02-07 20:03:12 UTC  

>Yes.
well then what can I say to you, if its a symbol of evil to you then the conversation is practically meaningless

2020-02-07 20:03:44 UTC  

and aput the jp2 thing (mylink)

2020-02-07 20:17:35 UTC  

I dont put much weight to it and I stay away from all these arguments about the cross(like take them down in public buildings), I don't consider myself Christian and I don't defend the cross because I believe in it or take a side with all the religious folk here, I see a solid historical and cultural argument there, and in this case, an eagle with a closed crown(it symbolizes full independence) with a cross on top of it makes perfect sense for the Polish coat of arms, our kings were crowned with such a crown for centuries, and the cross would be small after all, many Western European countries use the cross in their coats of arms or even flags, with that said I don't see a problem in the absence of the cross either, the current coat of arms has to be overhauled for other reasons than that

2020-02-07 20:20:13 UTC  

and I guess PiS wants it to be a symbol they include the cross, but wait take that bait? the presence of the cross makes some sense, but again it might be there, it might be not, lets not make a fuss about it, business as usual this has nothing to do with day to day functioning of the state and our secularism

2020-02-07 20:21:49 UTC  

>>historical 1,000 years long perspective
polish nation has at most 200 years of history in the most generous estimates
Polands history is over a 1000 years long, thats a fact, and thats allthere is to it

2020-02-07 21:34:11 UTC  

@rogalik what do u think about kosniak (and his plan to made psl *modern* )

2020-02-08 00:35:22 UTC  

Based leftist Pope

2020-02-08 00:48:10 UTC  

This

2020-02-08 00:48:22 UTC  

>i've NEVER thought that a Pope will say this

2020-02-08 11:14:51 UTC  

@seler Poland has always been a Christian country - therefore we should put the cross into our course coat of arms

2020-02-08 12:58:10 UTC  

Men had always penises, therefore men should paint dicks on their foreheads