Message from @rogalik
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o rly
yeah the one we have right now its not proper heraldics
and honestly
A
do u think that *da selfproclaimed nogos* can be used to ban pridemarches
>something outside barking + *no province shekels for u*-
B nowa lewica club its making mrs garrison jokes
>they should change it
you realize they want to add a cross to it?
yeah and its totally ok
from a historical perspective
and about my question (nasty selfproclamatiovs could be used to ban pride parades)
>yeah and its totally ok
no it isn't
>from a historical perspective
so north americans should bring back union jacks because slavery was ok from historical perspective?
also, it's one of those moments (plenty of them actually) when I'm astonished how can rogal call himself a leftie
are you treating the cross as some evil symbol you need to fight against?
I'm concerned about heraldics here and not about current events and politics
it's more useful to take the historical 1,000 years long perspective on this, we're talking about the coat of arms of Poland
the cross features in it for centuries, our kings were crowned with a crown that had a cross on it, it doesnt need to have anything with our secularism
there are issues with the current coat of arms and if they change it for the better im happy with it
ngl kinda dumb from you that you judge if somenes right or left by their opinion about the cross in the coat of arms
huh
investing abroad has its benefits though
>huh
investing abroad has its benefits though
what that graph is showing theres no much point in accusing eastern EU members of being leeches when Western companies get out 2x more money out
yeh
red makes me thing its bad
or whats implied
>are you treating the cross as some evil symbol you need to fight against?
Yes.
>I'm concerned about heraldics
If you're more concerned about heraldics in this case then you're fucked up
It's like arguing about the color of the bullets when they are shooting at you
>historical 1,000 years long perspective
polish nation has at most 200 years of history in the most generous estimates
how the fuck can you even defend something like that lol
>Polish bishops call for John Paul II to be named co-patron of Europe
yeah, I wonder what Ireland would think about it <:haha:318675605233336330>
>Yes.
well then what can I say to you, if its a symbol of evil to you then the conversation is practically meaningless
and aput the jp2 thing (mylink)
I dont put much weight to it and I stay away from all these arguments about the cross(like take them down in public buildings), I don't consider myself Christian and I don't defend the cross because I believe in it or take a side with all the religious folk here, I see a solid historical and cultural argument there, and in this case, an eagle with a closed crown(it symbolizes full independence) with a cross on top of it makes perfect sense for the Polish coat of arms, our kings were crowned with such a crown for centuries, and the cross would be small after all, many Western European countries use the cross in their coats of arms or even flags, with that said I don't see a problem in the absence of the cross either, the current coat of arms has to be overhauled for other reasons than that
and I guess PiS wants it to be a symbol they include the cross, but wait take that bait? the presence of the cross makes some sense, but again it might be there, it might be not, lets not make a fuss about it, business as usual this has nothing to do with day to day functioning of the state and our secularism
>>historical 1,000 years long perspective
polish nation has at most 200 years of history in the most generous estimates
Polands history is over a 1000 years long, thats a fact, and thats allthere is to it
@rogalik what do u think about kosniak (and his plan to made psl *modern* )
Based leftist Pope
This
>i've NEVER thought that a Pope will say this
@seler Poland has always been a Christian country - therefore we should put the cross into our course coat of arms