plus keep in mind that, like, those of my generation who decide to stay in poland are predominantly conservative

most of my polish lgbt friends around my age have left poland for good

very few bother to vote abroad

i don't blame them

it's very hard not to be apathetic about the political situation in a country you seem to care less and less about with each passing day

about the country you're _unfortunately_ from, in which you've always been treated as a second-class citizen

and it's not just young LGBT people who feel this way, plenty of others do, too

there won't be a civil war, _who_ would be there to fight against the conservatives? for what? for this romantic and naive idea of a country where your rights would be respected? how likely is it that poland will ever become such a place? it's hard to fathom, so why risk everything if you can just move abroad

any pushback against pis shaping poland to their will in non-constitutional ways will only be symbolic

those stupid and naive enough to potentially fight for this piece of shit country are already on the side of prawo i sprawiedliwosc

all the others are tired and demotivated by the last couple of years (if not 2 decades) of their political impotence

tl;dr to quote @Swiss Dave fuck poland

> plus keep in mind that, like, those of my generation who decide to stay in poland are predominantly conservative
@zgadnij so ... expect a chile2 might be impossibl

unless something unexpected happens that will significantly worsen the material conditions of the _majority_ of poles

like food shortages, fuel shortages etc

and about this

whatcha think about this rumor

*gowin've said that they only've shekels for four months*

rumors are rumors and gowin has his own political goals

and do u think that for 2020 elections its possible to *troll'em*

* burn ur card its a crime
* use it is legal

no

*eg votin against pisses*

i think what they will do is the following

they will set up the system to fail

like they won't provide enough ballot boxes or even ballots

they may even analyse the metadata about the addressees like their age, gender, place of residence _and then "forget" to send ballots to those groups of people who more often than not vote for the opposition_

they may say that oops the ballot boxes are all full and so it's going to take weeks to count the votes - it's an emergency so instead of having independent electoral commission workers do that let's maybe subcontract our colleagues- i mean other workers

they are way past the point at which i wouldn't rule it out

And btw make no mistake, the EU doesn't care. Corona is a much bigger threat right now, plus, to be honest, speaking of the EU, while it's often portrayed by liberals as this noble idea of a commonwealth of european liberal democracies, its primary goals have always had to do with gaining access to 1. markets for the capital to exploit 2. cheap labour for the capital to exploit

and in randomquestions

@zgadnij
* how much time the czaarny protest thing was lasted (from law birth to its repealing)
* why czarny protest've worked
* at east cities who's the LEAST lunatic (lublin-rzeszow-bialy-tarmow)

* and who's the most lunatic (from these cities)

I don't remember how long it lasted. I think it was successful because it was very hard to discredit, as it wasn't organised by the (thoroughly compromised) opposition, but by completely unknown regular people. PiS failed to control the narrative because they couldn't find a way to successfully compromise czarny protest or to brand them somehow.

No idea about the cities. Not a big fan of any of those

* do u expect a romanian miracle
> romanian shares polish problems (psd its lunatic/pnl its autistic)... but psd its worse than pis and pnl its more autistic than po
>
> years of protests've made psd gov crash
> usr+ existence've forced pnl to have balls (iohannis've hunted some psd leaders+repealed many of their acts)
> @zgadnij

or po wont've a iohannis (corrupt neoliberal.... BUT COMPETENT - with enough balls to hunt some psd leaders)
and biedron its too much of a chicken (to forcing po to fight)

Having lived in Poland for more than 2 decades, I expect no miracles of any kind.

*ihonannis its neoliberal, its corrupt........... BUT at least he've managed to beat the sht away of psd*

OR po... its even more autistic

*and they dont've someone with enough balls to imitate him*