but what if pisses wants to trigger protests (eg goinng in full ordo iuris agenda)

*at this point even konfederacja its progressive*

@zgadnij https://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114884,25850511,pis-wyciaga-z-zamrazarki-projekty-ustaw-po-swietach-obrady.html

i've read this and idk what would happen

* grodzki will surely block it (30 days)
* opposition've morethan enough time to make wild rallies
* the *czarrny protest* bloc will gladly use this 30 days (buy mask, and get ready for the fight)

*we're considering that despiting quarantine chilean fires're still alive*

*vote pis this time*

i don't know what is likely to happen

also fuck giertych and his metamorphosis into a liberal "civil rights defender"

a decade (or more) ago he was one of the worst homophobes, openly wanting to jail LGBT people

after a failed coalition with pis, he figured out that he's dead to kaczynski and his followers and began to suck up to po

he's still a disgusting homophobe, he's currently just kind of hiding it a bit while pretending to be a liberal

but @zgadnij for u what would happen with this law
1 use it as fuel (u might enact russian style laws coz muh coronachan)
2 ignore it (hey it might be too triggering and oppositionmight get free fuel)


and... whatcha think about this statement (he is still a lunatic... but whatcha think about this statement)

imo pis will try to abuse the current situation as much as possible

they'll try to push whatever they can while people can't legally protest

and... what if *the liberal part of society* decides to protest (in chile they've violated quarantine / in france quarantine've wiped yellow vests)

the liberal part of polish society is an ever decreasing minority

with an underrepresentation of young people

a group of people scared of coronavirus

too scared to come out and protest

so a blitzkrieg might work

https://twitter.com/BDStanley/status/1247437308443398144

i'm sure that's what they're going for

honestly it's too late for a peaceful protest

the society is _not yet_ fractured and uncomfortable enough for an actual civil war or anything like that

plus keep in mind that, like, those of my generation who decide to stay in poland are predominantly conservative

most of my polish lgbt friends around my age have left poland for good

very few bother to vote abroad

i don't blame them

it's very hard not to be apathetic about the political situation in a country you seem to care less and less about with each passing day

about the country you're _unfortunately_ from, in which you've always been treated as a second-class citizen

and it's not just young LGBT people who feel this way, plenty of others do, too

there won't be a civil war, _who_ would be there to fight against the conservatives? for what? for this romantic and naive idea of a country where your rights would be respected? how likely is it that poland will ever become such a place? it's hard to fathom, so why risk everything if you can just move abroad

any pushback against pis shaping poland to their will in non-constitutional ways will only be symbolic

those stupid and naive enough to potentially fight for this piece of shit country are already on the side of prawo i sprawiedliwosc

all the others are tired and demotivated by the last couple of years (if not 2 decades) of their political impotence

tl;dr to quote @Swiss Dave fuck poland

> plus keep in mind that, like, those of my generation who decide to stay in poland are predominantly conservative
@zgadnij so ... expect a chile2 might be impossibl

unless something unexpected happens that will significantly worsen the material conditions of the _majority_ of poles

like food shortages, fuel shortages etc