Message from @Fighting Gold
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
While **women in Japan were recognized as having equal legal rights to men after World War II**, economic conditions for women remain unbalanced.[4] Modern policy initiatives to encourage motherhood and workplace participation have had mixed results.[5]
**Women in Japan obtained the right to vote in 1947**. While Japanese women's status has improved in the last decades, traditional expectations for married women and mothers are cited as a barrier to full economic equality.[6]
From the same article: "There is continuing debate about the role women's education plays in Japan's declining birthrate.[44] Japan's total fertility rate is 1.4 children born per woman (2015 estimate),[45] which is below the replacement rate of 2.1"
The funniest thing is that Japan is now trying to get more women into the workforce to replace the children theyre not having **because** theyre in the workforce
Its a divine comedy
The decline precedes WW2
It's prosperity in general
Looking at France though which had its decline as one of the first countries it's already starting to reverse (even accounting for muslims)
Do you mean that native french are having increasing birthrates? where do you even get that data, i thought in france they dont separate people by race in any statistics
They don't but immigration wasn't thing which caused the increase afaik
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition I remember learning about this model in geography class and it pretty much holds up regardless of social norms/laws etc.
If you're going to have a prosperous society you'll experience rapid population growth at first, have it decline again and the model says it'll eventually balance out
But what actually happens is deadends die off
And birthrates eventually start rising again
Besides, is this not the model of liberal technochracy in which technological improvement makes the tearing down of rules and standards possible? That does not contradict my point, the industrialisation made tearing down of traditional gender roles possible and the birthrate decrease is the result. feminism did not start in the 20th century, it has been progressing for hundreds of years
You'd have to be pretty dense to suggest feminism did play that much of a role in France's early stage of decline
Just look at the behaviour coming out of countries like Bahrain with outright draconic laws on the books and still birthrates etc. are declining and degeneracy rising
That's despite those societies being traditionally polygamous
the highest birthrate is what you get with the equivalent of a puppy mill. we were closer to that 500 years ago than a hundred years ago
Which I think leads to a less bad impact given males are selected to have a lot of children
You're not going to create medieval birthrates without Malthusian conditions
i think looking at polygamous societies complicates things unnecessarily
I was just bringing up even they experience a decline
what are you telling me with your last line?
That the sort of children per woman birthrate is noit attainable through social engineering but poverty
People in prosperous societies do not feel the need to have children to have them be farmhands
Or if you want one child to have 8 so 1 survives
in poverty women have clearer roles than in decadence
Not necessarily
less freedom too
I remember seeing stats on how egalitarian societies like Norway are actually more unequal than third world shitholes
Because they had to help work or whatever, I don't remember exactly
thats about job choice, not family
jordan peterson likes to mention this
Anyway I'd like to bring up how the third Reich made women leave the workplace prewar and it still had a worse birthrate than Weimar
its about which job they choose
Im argueing for the general rule, i dont know what happened in that specific case
I didnt come up with it, there are a number of people making this point
The model of feminism caused birthrates to decline simply doesn't explain the declien of birthrates well enough