No diversity in my church

Revelation 17:16

based bible

How do you even argue with someone this far off the deep end

I won't argue with this person because what they're saying is objectively retarded

Take his position to the extreme

Take something that is repulsively evil. Present it to the guy and ask him if it's objectively evil

Whilst it's true there's uncertainty in morality there's a difference between walking around surrounded by fog and having your eyes gouged out

Insisting that morality isn't as precise as science is missing the point, morality isn't science, doesn't fit into the atheist clockwork type worldview where there is nothing but matter

Dave the Distributist had a good video on this

Because appeals to morality are always implicitly metaphysical and when some idiot tries to come up with a morality formula they usually fail

Say Kant's categorical imperative

Or Bentham's utilitarianism

*The Cult of Certainty* or something. Basically argued high certainty modes of thinking are extremely limited in scope, and are wrong to assume that low certainty = false.

There's no reason to try so hard to make it a precise science when just acknowledging morality is real and treating it as an intangible ideal to live by is enough

That's the one!

I mixed up 'confidence' with 'certainty'

Genocide is just one group using its resources to help it's genes win in natural selection

Steered my study group into a discussion about the insidiousness if modern culture and the way it oozes into the church. We bring it in on our boots on Sundays and it impacts all our interactions and even teaching unless we are rigorous and strong.
Much more reactionary than last week's anti racism vibe. Even had one individual expressing almost polar opposite perspectives on modern culture and pop morality.
Hopefully some will wake up, and who knows, I might find a kindred reactionary amongst them.

nice

Oof

@Salvation_Crucifix You kick the guy out in that case.

How do you kick out a pope and more than half the priesthood

^

Didn't Arianism hold the majority in terms of belief at one point? Just because things are bad currently in the church doesn't mean this will last forever.

Arianism went away because of diplomacy, not conversion

And there are many passages in the OT which speak to this. God makes reversals.

The Catholic hierarchy seems to me to be too powerful to remove

It’s not like kicking out a pastor, I imagine Francis has picked cardinals or whoever to back him up on decisions

@Mr. Nessel Judea was freed from Greek rule by diplomacy with the Romans iirc.

If he could be removed, he likely would’ve been by now

Several times over

Protestants don’t have to necessarily deal with that hierarchy and that opposition to removal of power

@Salvation_Crucifix That's not practice with popes. I don't think it's even possible to depose a pope like that. But the hierarchy itself it holy and ought to be honored. But if the pope tries to command you to do something objectively evil, you are under no obligation to do so.

The Church has survived periods comparable and even worse. Though the people may be imperfect, the Church remains perfect. It may seem cliché to repeat "the gates of Hell shall not prevail," but it applies well in this instance.

Imagine if Christians splintered like Protestants do but from the start. I don't think that a religion like that could survive or even qualify as a single religion for more than 500 years. I bet after a few more generations, Protestantism will continue to drift off in multiple directions and start to lose even the most basic common points of faith. Many sects are already like this.

You practically already have with trads and “normie” Caths

Also, there is no precedent for splitting off found in the OT. Judaism was always one religion, even if the countryside lapsed into paganism occasionally.

And their divisions

I’ve heard several times on other servers that cafe or non trad Caths aren’t considered real Christians/Catholics

Quite ironic