Message from @McFansy

Discord ID: 692098615165976599


2020-03-24 19:41:38 UTC  

the issue was it was a series of executions done by the crown done after/during the wedding, subsequent escalations on both sides, mostly by the Parisians, and then an open revolt and radicalization after the wedding had lead to the conflicts

2020-03-24 19:42:16 UTC  

and then the Huguenots were slaughtered completely

2020-03-24 19:42:23 UTC  

not even by crown authorities

2020-03-24 19:43:01 UTC  

after an attempted assassination of Gaspard II de Coligny

2020-03-24 19:43:32 UTC  

>Traditionally believed to have been instigated by Queen Catherine de' Medici, the mother of King Charles IX, the massacre took place a few days after the wedding day (18 August) of the king's sister Margaret to the Protestant Henry III of Navarre (the future Henry IV of France). Many of the most wealthy and prominent Huguenots had gathered in largely Catholic Paris to attend the wedding.

The massacre began in the night of 23–24 August 1572 (the eve of the feast of Bartholomew the Apostle), two days after the attempted assassination of Admiral Gaspard de Coligny, the military and political leader of the Huguenots. King Charles IX ordered the killing of a group of Huguenot leaders, including Coligny, and the slaughter spread throughout Paris. Lasting several weeks, the massacre expanded outward to other urban centres and the countryside.

2020-03-24 19:44:14 UTC  

```Catherine de' Medici, and her son, Charles IX, were practical in their support of peace and Coligny, as they were conscious of the kingdom's financial difficulties and the Huguenots' strong defensive position: they controlled the fortified towns of La Rochelle, La Charité-sur-Loire, Cognac, and Montauban.```

curious ^

2020-03-24 19:44:27 UTC  

need to find out what lead to the completely 180

2020-03-24 19:45:37 UTC  

```In the years preceding the massacre, Huguenot "political rhetoric" had for the first time taken a tone against not just the policies of a particular monarch of France, but monarchy in general. In part this was led by an apparent change in stance by John Calvin in his Readings on the Prophet Daniel, a book of 1561, in which he had argued that when kings disobey God, they "automatically abdicate their worldly power" – a change from his views in earlier works that even ungodly kings should be obeyed. This change was soon picked up by Huguenot writers, who began to expand on Calvin and promote the idea of the sovereignty of the people, ideas to which Catholic writers and preachers responded fiercely.[11]```

2020-03-24 19:45:40 UTC  

this also was an issue

2020-03-24 19:45:42 UTC  

from the same article

2020-03-24 19:45:51 UTC  

Crown over people. The crown's power was threatened.

2020-03-24 19:48:52 UTC  

unf the killing of the Huguenots lead to more anti-monarchial sentiment

2020-03-24 19:49:31 UTC  

much like how the Easter Rising in Ireland lead to anti-monarchial sentiment against the british in Ireland almost 300+ years later

2020-03-24 19:49:49 UTC  

martyrs are the vanguard of any revolution

2020-03-24 19:50:14 UTC  

```The royal marriage was arranged for 18 August 1572. It was not accepted by traditionalist Catholics or by the Pope. Both the Pope and King Philip II of Spain strongly condemned Catherine's Huguenot policy as well.```

2020-03-24 19:50:21 UTC  

this was also another compounded issue

2020-03-24 19:50:57 UTC  

France had two bad kings with the same mother.

2020-03-24 19:51:50 UTC  

rough

2020-03-24 19:51:50 UTC  

Idk if it's fair to say that huguenots were anti monarchical considering there was a big concern about them influencing kings and the like via the court to convert France

2020-03-24 19:52:38 UTC  

And they went to countries like Prussia once they were being butchered

2020-03-24 19:52:48 UTC  

also Netherlands and England

2020-03-24 19:53:17 UTC  

Of course like Farage's ancestors

2020-03-24 19:53:27 UTC  

Also America

2020-03-24 19:53:41 UTC  

Supposedly they helped develop industry there

2020-03-24 19:53:56 UTC  

Since they were highly active in France's textile manufactories etc.

2020-03-29 18:35:10 UTC  
2020-03-31 03:41:34 UTC  

Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
Proverbs 18:21 kjv

2020-03-31 03:41:35 UTC  

2020-04-07 11:48:07 UTC  

I admire his composure. Had I been in his place, I'd probably have threatened the sole anonymous witness with a metric ton of hellfire.

2020-04-08 08:28:26 UTC  

I'd probably have [redacted] the damn [redacted]

2020-04-08 08:28:36 UTC  

in minecraft

2020-04-08 09:34:28 UTC  

Have you read the letter the father of one of the supposed victims wrote to Pope Francis?

2020-04-08 09:35:10 UTC  

He blamed the abuse on celibacy (which is empirically pretty much disproven) and asked why women can't be priests.

2020-04-08 09:36:19 UTC  

Or rather, he demanded female priests. Not sure if he did that explicitly or implicitly.

2020-04-08 13:45:15 UTC  

do you have any sources on the celibacy?

2020-04-08 13:45:22 UTC  

they would come in use to me

2020-04-08 15:20:04 UTC  

None at the top of my hat, sorry. I usually just google them when I need them

2020-04-08 15:20:45 UTC  

The rate of catholic priests who abuse children is nowhere found to be higher than the rate for priests of other denominations or for school teachers

2020-04-12 10:21:21 UTC  

Happy Easter

2020-04-12 10:21:44 UTC  

Christ lives!