Message from @Old1812

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2020-03-06 12:09:32 UTC  

If Britain stayed out of it Germany even would have naval superiority and could feasably blockade the French rather than being blockaded by Britain

2020-03-06 12:10:23 UTC  

i really doubt the britbongs would allow Germs to be hegemons of europe. they would join france and russia regardless of belgium

2020-03-06 12:10:57 UTC  

Not without a casus belli and even if they did they would join in delayed

2020-03-06 12:11:07 UTC  

germs could never win a prolonged war against Entete.

2020-03-06 12:11:16 UTC  

Says who

2020-03-06 12:11:26 UTC  

they didbt have the resources

2020-03-06 12:11:59 UTC  

Germany had the ressources to continue fighting. The issue that killed Germany was tanks allowing for the Hindenburg line to be overrun

2020-03-06 12:12:22 UTC  

their navy was confined to the ports after jutland and tactics were developed against u boat attacks

2020-03-06 12:13:02 UTC  

Yes which is why the German navy would only be relevant if Britain stayed out of the war

2020-03-06 12:13:49 UTC  

how many tanks did germs produce? LMOA 50?100? and why do you think they failed to produce more

2020-03-06 12:14:15 UTC  

Germany mostly made use of stormtroopsers/infiltration tactics

2020-03-06 12:14:32 UTC  

They would've built tanks eventually but weren't the first to do so

2020-03-06 12:14:44 UTC  

At the Rhine tanks wouldn't matter either way

2020-03-06 12:15:04 UTC  

Nobody had amphibious tanks at that point

2020-03-06 12:15:52 UTC  

as if pontoon bridges could not be developed

2020-03-06 12:16:44 UTC  

So you think pontoon bridges would be enough if Germany had built static dfences on its side of the Rhine?

2020-03-06 12:17:07 UTC  

Even with tanks and mass assaults they had a hard time breaking the Hindenburg line

2020-03-06 12:17:32 UTC  

Nvm Germany would concentrate artillery on the river if pontoon bridges would be deployed

2020-03-06 12:17:40 UTC  

they would pound them with artillery. static defences were getting obsolete by 1918 and era of moblie warfare

2020-03-06 12:18:15 UTC  

Static defences became less effective because they made trenches wider because of tanks

2020-03-06 12:18:18 UTC  

Had the German navy tried to go through the Channel, Britain would have definitely joined. I'd recommend just using the navy in the Baltic.

2020-03-06 12:18:39 UTC  

Since tanks are a minimal factor when crossing a river like the Rhine the defences would be even more formidable

2020-03-06 12:19:10 UTC  

Since trenches would be less wide and therefore less susceptible to artillery

2020-03-06 12:19:36 UTC  

i think even if lusitania never occured USA would join the war because of submarine warfare and zimer tellegram

2020-03-06 12:20:15 UTC  

As faras America is concerned I don't think they would be invested enough to tolerate heavy casualties

2020-03-06 12:21:11 UTC  

If the Rhine were to hold, which it definitely would for years imo they would need to either go through the Alps, Greece or the Zagros mountains

2020-03-06 12:21:32 UTC  

I don't think Americans would take suicide charges into mountains as well as Italians did

2020-03-06 12:23:04 UTC  

also never forget that entete had bottomless suplies of Guano for gunpowder production. germs had to use expensive sythetic gunpowder they made it at a loss and it was crippling their battered economy

2020-03-06 12:23:58 UTC  

It's not that expensive to make nitrogen using the Haber Bosch technique since after the war it replaced Guano across the world

2020-03-06 12:24:18 UTC  

And became the source for Nitrogen in fertilizer etc.

2020-03-06 12:24:34 UTC  

yes because it was made cheaper by then.

2020-03-06 12:25:30 UTC  

Germany's economy wasn't going to be its end. Not after gaining that many trade partners in the east

2020-03-06 12:25:41 UTC  

They would continue printing bonds and whatnot

2020-03-06 12:26:03 UTC  

Only major issue I see is that abandoning the Rhineland would seriously fuck up war production

2020-03-06 12:26:16 UTC  

A lot of ore and coal deposits there

2020-03-06 12:26:28 UTC  

And industry, though that could be relocated in part

2020-03-06 12:27:12 UTC  

Though abandoning the Rhineland would not be without an economic upside since it's very urban and feeding it would then be an issue for the Entente, not Germany

2020-03-06 12:27:54 UTC  

as if entete would even give them anything beyon starvation rations lol

2020-03-06 12:28:19 UTC  

I somehow doubt Americans and Brits would be fine with that

2020-03-06 12:28:26 UTC  

Don't replace Falkenhayn. H&L gutted the German economy, announced unrestricted submarine warfare, and launced the Spring Offensive

2020-03-06 12:28:56 UTC  

Yet no one ever talks about Falkenhayn