Message from @Mr. Nessel

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2020-03-06 12:00:23 UTC  

Being able to hold for a while longer might've allowed for Germany to prepare another defensive line behind the Rhine river, which would make tanks completely useless and offensives from either side completely futile

2020-03-06 12:01:38 UTC  

The Hindenburg line even as it existed on land was formidable so I have little doubt Germany could have held on much longer than it did historically if a similiar defensive line existed but behind the Rhine

2020-03-06 12:05:20 UTC  

I definitely agree with your point about initially defending against France though

2020-03-06 12:07:21 UTC  

If Germany didn't make use of the Schlieffen plan it would have to only defend Alsace Lorraine which is pretty good terrain for defence or fall back to the Rhine for the most part which again would make it very easiy to defend

2020-03-06 12:07:53 UTC  

Whereas Germany managed to not only beat Russia historically, but with less troops than would be available under this scenario

2020-03-06 12:08:26 UTC  

Nvm all the implications of not violating Belgian neutrality which is the main reason for Britain to join the war

2020-03-06 12:08:55 UTC  

Which is the main reason Germany did resort to unrestricted submarine warfare which brought in the Americans

2020-03-06 12:09:32 UTC  

If Britain stayed out of it Germany even would have naval superiority and could feasably blockade the French rather than being blockaded by Britain

2020-03-06 12:10:23 UTC  

i really doubt the britbongs would allow Germs to be hegemons of europe. they would join france and russia regardless of belgium

2020-03-06 12:10:57 UTC  

Not without a casus belli and even if they did they would join in delayed

2020-03-06 12:11:07 UTC  

germs could never win a prolonged war against Entete.

2020-03-06 12:11:16 UTC  

Says who

2020-03-06 12:11:26 UTC  

they didbt have the resources

2020-03-06 12:11:59 UTC  

Germany had the ressources to continue fighting. The issue that killed Germany was tanks allowing for the Hindenburg line to be overrun

2020-03-06 12:12:22 UTC  

their navy was confined to the ports after jutland and tactics were developed against u boat attacks

2020-03-06 12:13:02 UTC  

Yes which is why the German navy would only be relevant if Britain stayed out of the war

2020-03-06 12:13:49 UTC  

how many tanks did germs produce? LMOA 50?100? and why do you think they failed to produce more

2020-03-06 12:14:15 UTC  

Germany mostly made use of stormtroopsers/infiltration tactics

2020-03-06 12:14:32 UTC  

They would've built tanks eventually but weren't the first to do so

2020-03-06 12:14:44 UTC  

At the Rhine tanks wouldn't matter either way

2020-03-06 12:15:04 UTC  

Nobody had amphibious tanks at that point

2020-03-06 12:15:52 UTC  

as if pontoon bridges could not be developed

2020-03-06 12:16:44 UTC  

So you think pontoon bridges would be enough if Germany had built static dfences on its side of the Rhine?

2020-03-06 12:17:07 UTC  

Even with tanks and mass assaults they had a hard time breaking the Hindenburg line

2020-03-06 12:17:32 UTC  

Nvm Germany would concentrate artillery on the river if pontoon bridges would be deployed

2020-03-06 12:17:40 UTC  

they would pound them with artillery. static defences were getting obsolete by 1918 and era of moblie warfare

2020-03-06 12:18:15 UTC  

Static defences became less effective because they made trenches wider because of tanks

2020-03-06 12:18:18 UTC  

Had the German navy tried to go through the Channel, Britain would have definitely joined. I'd recommend just using the navy in the Baltic.

2020-03-06 12:18:39 UTC  

Since tanks are a minimal factor when crossing a river like the Rhine the defences would be even more formidable

2020-03-06 12:19:10 UTC  

Since trenches would be less wide and therefore less susceptible to artillery

2020-03-06 12:19:36 UTC  

i think even if lusitania never occured USA would join the war because of submarine warfare and zimer tellegram

2020-03-06 12:20:15 UTC  

As faras America is concerned I don't think they would be invested enough to tolerate heavy casualties

2020-03-06 12:21:11 UTC  

If the Rhine were to hold, which it definitely would for years imo they would need to either go through the Alps, Greece or the Zagros mountains

2020-03-06 12:21:32 UTC  

I don't think Americans would take suicide charges into mountains as well as Italians did

2020-03-06 12:23:04 UTC  

also never forget that entete had bottomless suplies of Guano for gunpowder production. germs had to use expensive sythetic gunpowder they made it at a loss and it was crippling their battered economy

2020-03-06 12:23:58 UTC  

It's not that expensive to make nitrogen using the Haber Bosch technique since after the war it replaced Guano across the world

2020-03-06 12:24:18 UTC  

And became the source for Nitrogen in fertilizer etc.

2020-03-06 12:24:34 UTC  

yes because it was made cheaper by then.

2020-03-06 12:25:30 UTC  

Germany's economy wasn't going to be its end. Not after gaining that many trade partners in the east

2020-03-06 12:25:41 UTC  

They would continue printing bonds and whatnot

2020-03-06 12:26:03 UTC  

Only major issue I see is that abandoning the Rhineland would seriously fuck up war production