I misread your message.

Bruh moment.

I don’t think I’m a liberal, but I do think they’re at least partially right

@EYEFORKNOWLEDGE156 What is siege?

Where Hobbes and his successors went wrong IMO is assuming the equality of men

Which ironically is their only truly Christian opinion

Of course, just because all lives have value and all humans have dignity does not mean they are equal in their abilities

@Pictures At An Exhibition a really bad book that’s basically a meme

It’s a book written by a wignat about how he thinks things should be

Which may in itself be a strawman, “all men are created equal” is more an argument against the divine right of kings than a commentary on the abilities of men

Ngl I kinda want to get it for the meme

A reassessment and reframing of the enlightenment is probably a better strategy for taking over conservatism than an actual rejection of it TBH

But I’m not read well enough to properly formulate such a reframing

It is, after all, part of our heritage (and thus, worth defending)

In much the same way that Aquinas and the rest synthesized Greek and Roman thought, it may fall on us to synthesize the property rights and representative government with more traditional Christian thought

I can't disagree with you on anything you've said. It's pretty much things I'd nod to. After all, any serious form of community has to abide by hierarchy.

I don't know how well a catholic reframing will go over in the US

I do fundamentally believe in the sovereignty and self determination of the European people, a line of thought that would only be possible after the enlightenment

I think most people here would agree

You can learn from and adapt the useful parts of liberalism

Instead of deconstructing and rejecting it as if we were cultural marxists

That second take probably won’t get me many friends here, but I think it’s the only way forward in the short term

Outright fascism or whatever is a joke and will never succeed in America

I can’t speak for Europe

I'll have to educate myself more before speaking on it broadly, but I respect your opinion. I agree with you more than I don't.

@Norik I am really interested by the idea of adapting the useful parts of liberalism.

good take

What would we even call a synthesis of liberal ideas with reactionary ideas?

Labels are unimportant

labels are for marketing purposes

Ah, gotcha.

Does Greco-Roman Christianity ala Aquinas even have a name?

I just call it western thought

So that's why we added 'neo' to our label.

A lot of things sound badass with 'neo.'

Name checks out.

@NeoFuturist

https://twitter.com/owenbroadcast/status/1227962984481333249?s=20

Imagine unironically supporting a Turkish invasion of Europe

SIEGE is about how you should smoke crack and make snuff porn