And many eastern Euro countries who are on paper catholics aren't that religious in practice

There aren't really that mean Eastern Europe Catholic countries

Poland is one

Croatia perhaps?

Also just look at South America

Jesuits.

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Conservative christians are converting from catholicism to protestantism en masse

Many of the countries there will be majority prot at some point

Catholicism just has a lot of inertia

But I don't really see it as a bulwark

You also have a lot of issues with progressive syncretism in South America

It is, it's simply the situation where people reject something for another which is more arbitrary

Personalized and privatized

Which is bad ofc lol

So is their reason for staying catholic

Just calling things arbitrary to avoid looking at something is nonsensical

Not really? Considering the hundreds of years of ecumenical and rational authority that the Church has to offer?

"to avoid looking"

Converting isn't simply "looking"

It's "turning away" and "rejecting"

lol

Yeah after looking at it and forming their opinion on it

You can't really blame them considering the state catholicism is in

It's really not that bad? Considering historical issues.

The Arian Crisis was way worse

People are simply more complacent nowadays

They want to take easier routes

Arianism was an external challenge so it's not really comparable

No, it wasn't.

the prot churches here are conservative but still koshered

It was a crisis within the early Church that almost lead to Schism

The issue with catholicism right now is the institution itself being corrupted

Perhaps, but there are always failsafes and plenty of things in the way of preventing things from falling.

There always has been.

The people who turn away for that reason and that reason alone don't know the history of the Church.

And what it's overcome.

Turbulence isn't an "if" it's a "when" and "how bad".

And right now, yes, there is corruption, but it's really nothing that cannot be fixed internally.

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Ultimately it is up Christians everywhere just to trust the Big Man upstairs.