What even counts as a white subtype to you? Let me guess, everyone west of Turkey?

Exactly how does Germany being a mixture of white subtypes invalidate it being a white nation

If we reduce it down to culture you can teach a Nigerian to speak German and pretend he's that

I won't

In USA and other Euro diaspora majority countries its retarded to have all the for example Italians form an Italian diaspora ethnostate or Germans to form a separate ethnostate and so on. since the European/Euro descended peoples for the most part conglomerated into one pan European identity. In Europe it makes more sense. Even if there is differences amongst the English people, to split them into Briton descended English, then Norman descended English, then Anglo saxon English is completely sperg tier, unnecessary retardation where none of such a thing is needed at all.

@AH-64 What is the color green? There is so much variation within the color green. In fact there are some blues that have a little bit of green color in them are they green?

I guarantee you, you will fall back on geography, linguistics and shared culture when you aren't comparing blacks and whites but whites and other whites.

thats not to say Whites in Europe shouldnt be allied and throw away petty rivalries, they should, but to unite them into one pan European nation is kind of retarded.

I'm not one to be too attached to the nationstate to begin with
There's no distinct German race and it's a cultural construct. Even with major downsides since the nationstate has supressed regional variation
But the foundational thing upon which the structure is built is white people

There are Turks that look like shorter Swedes, but I'd wager you won't see them as whites.

@AH-64 You haven't answered my question does the color green exist?

Likewise with white Armenians, Arabs or Indians

If you remove the people who made the culture you make the culture lose most of its value

Its too late to deconstruct a German identity, even if it is a social construct, its already a sort of meta narrative.

@Mac Yes. Get to the point.

The reason why I am getting hung up on this is because your theories won't be applied just to blacks trying to assimilate to Britain, but they will also have as their consequence that the Middle East will be permanently cut off from Europe.

@AH-64 Because those Turks would most likely have a group/ethnic identity agenda that is hostile to almost every White group. Many Turks seek to conquer southeast Europe and reform the Ottoman Empire. That is not in the interest of White people.

The middle east isn't European

This argument is retard if you switch the categorical race with instead with anything else

Europeans diverged from middle easterners millennia ago

We're the product of hunter gatherers, early European farmers and Indo Europeans mixing

@Mac My argument is precisely that you do just that.

Kind of why Ashkenazim are not white, their peoples group interests are opposed to that of most Whites.

Turks are a population of Mutts

They have white admixture but they're not white

>Europeans diverged from middle easterners millennia ago
You do know that Constantinople is in the Middle East, right?

You mentioned the middle east

Turks aren't white either

"Middle Easterners" aren't even an ethnicity

They're heavily mixed

Middle easterners are Caucasians who haven't migrated into Europe etc.
They're racially distinct from us

Are you jewish or just a lolbert?

Turks have some White admixture but its 20-30% at most. The ones who are majority white genetically are basically Albanians/Slavs who ancestors converted.

You have a point with Turks, maybe also Persians and everything east from Persia. It gets silly when you look at the people that have populated the Eastern Roman Empire.

Most Turks admixed with Arabs or Arabized Iranic peoples when prior to conquering Anatolia, and before even that they were basically Hapa Selcuks from Turkmenistan

We hardly have any data about the racial makeup of the eastern Roman empire

It definitely was whiter than the regions are now

Syrians etc. were never white though

Define white

The descendants of European hunter gatherers, early European farmers and Indo Europeans

Turks are huwhitish